Given Citroen's team support and strategy I would not think Ogier alone could turn Ford around even if he did move. Drivers are a big part of the equation but the car, strategy and support are factors , too.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Given Citroen's team support and strategy I would not think Ogier alone could turn Ford around even if he did move. Drivers are a big part of the equation but the car, strategy and support are factors , too.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Let he goes wherever he wants.
I think before we speculate about him going to Ford , we must see if ford will be in the championship next year first.
I don't think anything will change in events like Citroen had in Australia. There will be team orders anway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Any news from the archives ???????
Hirvonen to Citroen makes sense; a loyal No2, can rack up plenty of podiums places, plus possible wins in Sweden & Finland.....
However, Ogier to Ford doesn't add up; Who would be No1, assuming Latvala stays? I can imagine plenty of new cars & bodywork needed, not what is needed when M-Sport are counting all their pennies. Unless Ford put more money in, but that doesn't seem likely......
Saying that, they've got to agree to next year.......
They should take P.Solberg.
dont you mere mortals understand. as i said before, Ford will commit, if they get Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
In fact, how about this.. Ford could threaten Citroen they will leave championship, if they dont get Ogier. Citroen dont want to be driving around on their own, but instead get rid of a stroppy young French lad that will not follow orders, and get a compliant No2 in Hirvonen, who is well up for it cause he is getting X more million than he'd ever get at Ford. Ford get their man and commit. Citroen will win the title for next 2 years away with Loeb, Citroen leave at end of 2013... and the world keep spinning. Dont you just love a good consiprency threory.
It makes you think aswel, the citroen bosses were probably secretly relieved that mini are joining wrc, if they continue to give ford the walloping that they have done, ford wil leave the WRC, then it will be citroen V citroen V citroen....Even if that were ever to happen, and citroen have no other manufacturers and competition to compete against, Seb Loeb would still heralded as the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
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Originally Posted by wildsir
LOL.....
Welll... I still believe that Ogier will be in Citroen in 2012, but... now it's starting to be a "big" rumor the Ogier-Ford thing...
I know you wish you had though of it NOT...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
It looks like France 24 reporting the deal is done, no smoke without fire.
People... you need to understand, that team principles talk to each other behind closed doors.
If this 'swap' comes off, then it can only happen with Ford talking directly to Citroen.
All of a sudden its not conspiricy, but reality.
This is an old article, dating from before Rally Australia, and there is nothing new inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
There are subtle differences between an imaginary contract, a contract, and a contract with signatures.
It's not gonna happen.
1 day ago: Le Figaro - Auto-Moto : Ogier chez Ford en 2012 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
Manager tricks....
but he should be careful because it may backfire, and he destoys his career....
Maybe you should improve your french, it was article that was published in front of Rally Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
Emmanuel Quintin(Sport24.com) Mis à jour le 14/09/2011 à 13:35 | publié le 14/09/2011 à 13:12Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
That is indeed a very Long archive search concerning Loebs attitude....
Next time try and use facts not LIES...
bye bye...
As for Ogier any finnish/brittish cry baby news about Ogier moving teams ???
LOL
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
My guess, too much alcohol. But most likely he is referring to the user who claimed that Citroen have used team orders in favor of Loeb a lot and Loeb hasn't thanked his team mates enough for helping him, or sth like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I thought NOT was talking about this...The dodgy British and Finnish media :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
:D Maybe so ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Theres no doubting Loebs success, he IS a fantastic driver, you dont win 8 world titles(that much is set in stone IMO) without having massive amounts of skill. But he IS also citroens number 1 driver, and always has team orders on his side, and also, you dont win that many world titles without having A LOT of luck on your side aswel.
Now that the drivers title has been pretty much won already, Ogier I think is willing to bow down to team orders. But will he be as willing next year to obey team orders, when Loeb is number 1 from the start again?
IMO as long as Loeb stays at citroen, Ogier will never win a championship. And he diddn't start rallying to play second fiddle.
On the other hand, Ford may give him a chance to beat Loeb, and if this season is anything to go by, he's probably the only driver out there(currently) who can beat Loeb. If Citroen wont let him win, why should he stay?
I agree with the above. I don't think that any other driver will win as many rallies of titles as Loeb either.
DH.be - Duval : “Plus heureux aujourd’hui”Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Duval said: Que vous inspirent les récentes tensions entre Loeb et Ogier ?
“Ogier a commis la même erreur que moi. Il devrait se casser très vite. Citroën m’a détruit. Ils ont fait pareil ensuite avec Sordo. Il n’y en a que pour Loeb. Jamais plus je ne retournerais là-bas. J’aurais dû rester chez Ford...”
Sebastien Ogier says he will drive to support Citroen team in France - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Ogier said: "I'm at the team's service to help it win more titles," (I think Loeb's service now).
If Ogier were to move to Ford does anyone thing that he could beat Loeb with the Fiesta? I can't decide if it's the Fiesta or the drivers at Ford which are the problem. I'm a real fan of Latvala so would like to believe it's the car!
We won't know until Ogier really drives Fiesta ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by whereschris
Good point. I hope it happens - it will certainly make make things interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
In hirvonens case it is definately the driver not the car
But in Ogier Ford would have a proper driver to pair with Latvala........what a team that would be
But it all depends of Ford will put the nesessary money in to get ogier?
Ford either wants to win or continue to be second?
Latvala is a crash driver.
Is there any driver in WRC who is not crashed his car? Exempel...Citroen boys in Australia 2011.
Yeah, but Latvala can do it more in one season then Loeb in whole carrier.
lol...good one
just see the points difference Latvala has over the championship leader all these years...he is too iconsistent to be considered a threat so far.
Hope that will change ...his age is his advantage.
I can't really remember but hasn't Latvala been really unlucky this season? I can remember the pace note error but otherwise it's been a lot of mechanical stuff. Has he crashed out of the running on any other events this year?
most of his mechanical stuff derive from offs and driver mistakes which didn't lead to a crash but damaging the car.
Fair enough. I wish he could just get that bit more consistency because he is such a fast, committed and passionate driver. There's time yet though...
can you proove that Latvalla's mechanical issues were only caused by drivier mistakes or Latvalla's driving style? Did you have access to the log book of the Ford team of Latvalla cars, can you point out all the mechanical issiues on the Ford cars? Remember, never make assumption on this forum, only come with real facts!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Come on, we all know Latvala's style. :D
nice try...
just go back to the rallies he lost points and all you read is Broken this, Broken that....things do not break by themselves...
this is too easy for me please step it up or stop it....