Interweb stream, live timing and 5Live; or find an F1 friendly pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Why's that since we're living in the the age of YT and streaming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Sorry, just had to ask.
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Interweb stream, live timing and 5Live; or find an F1 friendly pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Why's that since we're living in the the age of YT and streaming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Sorry, just had to ask.
I don't think it was a matter of choice for the BBC. In the current climate F1 is seen as an expensive luxury for them. Whether they can afford it or not, and one has to assume they can, the circumstances dictate the BBC's wings be seen to be clipped and just look who is waiting to pick up the slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlMetro
If you want to watch F1 races live then Sky Sports it is. I have Sky because it's the only place I get to watch a lot of the live motorsport I enjoy besides F1 so "I'm alright Jack" now, but I still think the deal stinks for those to don't, can't or simply won't pay for Sky.
Pub? Now you're talking. £360 would buy a fair few Sunday lunches :facelick:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I've got a 50" full HD screen, I wouldn't be happy with a crappy internet stream. ITV4 stream the BTCC qualifying and the quality is awful, and that's from a professional broadcaster. Streams like our good friend Justin are all very well as a means to an end, but not really a great alternative to watching the proper broadcast.Quote:
Why's that since we're living in the the age of YT and streaming?
Sorry, just had to ask.
The missus and I have just been having a chat about knocking our existing Sky sub on the head and buying a Humax Freesat PVR. In 10 months it would have paid for itself, and on principal I'll feel better not giving Sky any of our hard-earned cash.
Unlawful indeed, I wouldn't personally do it, but I don't have any issue with you doing that, unless you are anti-Murdoch due to the current criminal investigations. If you refuse to buy Murdoch material on this basis, yet partake in illegal activity yourself, then that is highly hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I was anti-Murdoch a long time before it became apparent how corrupt his UK publications were, trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Regarding torrents, right now I'm torn because I can quite happily record the races from the BBC coverage onto DVD for my own personal use and nobody bats an eyelid. Torrenting is merely an alternative way of doing this. I'm paying my licence fee, I'm not "stealing" any coverage that I haven't already legally funded, so I don't lose any sleep over it.
Next year, if I were to torrent a Sky broadcast then that would indeed be different. I'd be obtaining something for free rather than paying the broadcaster who had quite correctly paid for the rights. To be honest I think I'd rather just watch the highlights, watch the race in a pub, or miss it altogether.
Try following NASCAR and Indycar and can't afford Sky. There's isn't really a legal alternative as 10min highlights don't do justice to most races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
A petition has started to fight against this and is doing well so far. Please visit
Keep F1 coverage on the BBC for ALL races from 2012 - PetitionBuzz
On a personal note I think its a disgrace that Sky is stealing F1 away to ruin it!
If anybody can point me in the direction of an internet petition or Facebook campaign anywhere in history that has ever achieved its aim, then I'll sign this one. It's a done deal, Bernie isn't about to hand back millions of BSkyB's pounds because a few hundred people clicked on a website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom34
If you're on Twitter then let team/drivers know your thoughts on the Sky/BBC deal:
F1 Twitter directory |
No problem if you are not one of the people slating Murdoch (rightly to be fair) and refusing to buy into his products. If you are and then go ahead and get stuff illegally then you are just as bad as him and the rest!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
I don't wish to be a Negative Nelly but I'm sure they fall into two camps, the ones who don't care and the ones who already know. The teams are meeting with Bernie today to discuss this, as it was apparently as much of a surprise to them as it was to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
4906. thats 200 in the last 20 minutes!
Its that sort of attitude that would have lost us the war!! Keep the faith man!
True :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
4962 since this morning. 200 in the last 15 minutes. whats the point in not even trying thats what i say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I'm not sure illegal downloading is to be found at quite the same point on my moral compass as is hacking the voicemail of a dead girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
I admire your spirit, but I repeat the point that I'd like to see evidence of any internet petition ever having achieved its aim. Bernie will be well aware that a significant chunk of the public are against that, but he cares far more about his bank balance than he does about you or I. Sorry, but that's the reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom34
Well I refuse to purchase The Times & The Sun, avoid Sky News but, like Apple, I'm not too keen on certain organisations' ambitions trying to take over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Also. In this country it is vital for our economy that we hold on to our high end manufacturing. Teams are based here. We have university degrees for engineering of this kind. millions of people tune in and are interested. (Thousands visit Silverstone. I know I go there) I fear that this might be the beginning of loosing all of this overseas. We need to see the wider implications that this could possibly have.
In the various meetings that Cameron and the Murdochs had both before and after the election, I'd be amazed if the subject of weakening the BBC didn't come up. Remember the PM describing the prospect of BBC cuts as "delicious", and the allegation that Cameron and James Murdoch did a deal in 2008 on top-slicing the licence fee. The relationship between the government and the Murdochs stinks to high heaven, and with due respect to any Italians reading this, even Silvio Berlusconi would be ashamed to be part of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I believe it is vital for our UK economy that we hold on to our high end manufacturing. Teams are based here. We have university degrees for engineering of this kind. millions of people tune in to the BBC and are interested. (Thousands visit Silverstone. I know I go there) I fear that this might be the beginning of loosing all of this overseas. We need to see the wider implications that this could possibly have. It makes me sad that your so willing give in. You might not have the conviction to support this petition but so far many people have. In the last 35 minutes close to 400 people have signed it.
I believe it is vital for our UK economy that we hold on to our high end manufacturing. Teams are based here. We have university degrees for engineering of this kind. millions of people tune in to the BBC and are interested. (Thousands visit Silverstone. I know I go there) I fear that this might be the beginning of loosing all of this overseas. We need to see the wider implications that this could possibly have. It makes me sad that your so willing give in. You might not have the conviction to support this petition but so far many people have. In the last 35 minutes close to 400 people have signed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I believe it is vital for our UK economy that we hold on to our high end manufacturing. Teams are based here. We have university degrees for engineering of this kind. millions of people tune in to the BBC and are interested. (Thousands visit Silverstone. I know I go there) I fear that this might be the beginning of loosing all of this overseas. We need to see the wider implications that this could possibly have. It makes me sad that your so willing give in. You might not have the conviction to support this petition but so far many people have. In the last 35 minutes close to 400 people have signed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
The idea that they discussed everything other than the most important reason they could have had for meeting stretches credulity to breaking point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
:laugh: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce D
It is not at the same level, but are they both wrong? Yes. They are both illegal, therefore it is double standards if you condone any illegal act whilst being very outspoken on the morals of another.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
The rights and wrongs of downloading are a subject for another thread.
Autosport have an article on what the move to Sky means for F1:
AUTOSPORT PLUS - What the Sky deal really means for F1
It's behind their paywall. Oh the irony...
I was a bit gutted about this- one less thing I didn't mind paying my licence fee for gone!
It'll be the first time I'm actually not ABLE to watch F1 on tv which is going to be wierd. Guess I'll have to start spending more time at my parents house on race weekends! :D
The BBC have said there will be extended highlights "a few hours" after the end of the race.
From Jake:
Here is a blog from Ben Gallop the BBC's Head of F1, on the TV rights announcement... #bbcf1 BBC - Sport Editors: New F1 deal explained
So you believe it would be wrong for me to suggest in the same statement that I both believe smoking cannabis to be OK and assault not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
And was what I said really 'very outspoken' about phone hacking? I think not.
Looks like most of the money they're saving from F1 will have to go on extra staff to moderate the deluge of comments on BBC blogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Very dissapointed to hear about this, the BBC is obviously going downhill. but if they cant afford it....
Watch Brundle and Coulthard jump ship to Sky.
BBC will only be showing live races on the bbc website so i guess they will now use the 5 live commentators.
Thoroughly disappointed in this, what is the point of watching half a season? And note the BBC has only confirmed the British, Monaco and "final" GP - I wouldn't be surprised to find out the contract includes such thrillers as Barcelona, Valencia, Singapore...
I cannot afford £600 a year to watch ten races on Sky, that's the best part of two months rent for me, or half the year's council tax, or half the car insurance. I imagine more people are on even tighter budgets than that.
The thing that bothers me most of all is the constant promises about F1 staying on free to air - that promise was comprehensively broken today with this announcement. And what is the BBC going to replace it with? What are they going to find that will draw in six million viewers on a Sunday lunchtime? We pay a licence fee and the BBC should provide what viewers want, and the figures say the public wants F1!
Really bad day for F1 viewers, and could be the start of a very slippery slope for F1 as a whole. Get rid of Ecclestone, now, before the sport is totally torn apart. :down:
My solution is simple. No BBC TV between 0900 and 1300, except in the case of major events. Then off again until the 1800 news. Funding problems solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Am too angry to type right now. Just as F1 had found its feet again, Bernie's done a deal that will guarantee a huge drop in viewers and therefore overall interest in one of the sport's most important markets. Congratulations. So, which big-name sponsor/manufacturer will walk first?
Well, well, well...after speaking to Bernie Martin Whitmarsh says early indications about the detail of the deal are encouraging for teams.
Whitmarsh sees positives in Sky deal as more details emerge - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
"Bernie assured me, and I asked him several times, the deferred coverage will not be highlights, it will be a full race."
Meanwhile:https://twitter.com/#!/NobleF1/status/96983570597425152Quote:
Guess who said this back in May?..."Sky is doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With these figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal."
That would be Bernie:http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/05/07/b...-their-senses/Quote:
“Murdoch hasn’t got anything really big to drive their TV audiences and Formula One would be good for that. They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. They are a subscription service.
“Very recently they wanted to do something in Germany, in the UK and in Italy, where they are, but we couldn’t do it. Sky is doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With these figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
Sky should get Jim Rosental to present, James Allen to commentate and Mark "Billy" Blundell to summarise.
I've got SKy TV because pretty well everything I want to watch is on Sky- whether that be sports (tennis, Indy Car, NASCAR) or TV series- ok I could probably download most of it from the web, but I can't be arsed to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by AndySpeed
so in that sense having F1 on Sky doesn't make a huge difference to me. The only way i can have TV is either through Sky or through Virgin as I don't have a TV aerial. That said I would have Sky anyway- I'm not pro-Murdoch by any means, I long ago accepted that if I wanted to follow the sports I enjoy (and Sky do provide excellent coverage of sport) then I'd have to pay for it.
However I don't think it's a good move for F1 in general- casual viewers will lose interest if only half the races are broadcast- as evidenced by some of the reaction here. I know people who are huge F1 fans but don't have and will not get Sky. I really don't see how this is good for F1- other than Bernie making more money.
Equally clearly the Beeb couldn't afford to continue by itself (although perhaps culling some of the less popular shows might have been the way to go) so what's the alternative- turning it back into the Lewis Hamilton show on ITV again- or Ch4 and Ch5 who have no real track record with these kind of things. The only other alternative I would have thought would have been Eurosport (which I think is on Freeview?)- they already show GP3, GP2, Porsche Supercup- they did a good job with it back in the 90's