What a sad, strange and slightly disturbing post. Anyone would think he'd killed your favourite pet or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
What a sad, strange and slightly disturbing post. Anyone would think he'd killed your favourite pet or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
:D Its funny though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Mikko knows its do or die now. Crashing or retireing - it doesnt matter now, it matters about as much as finishing second does. Hopefuly we will see another finland style performance, albeit without the crash.
Well Mikko somehow has got another shot at the Title, I'm sure he'll go for it. I'd support him if he'd won 4-5 events and challenged consistently - but he hasn't. Therefore, I hope Seb wins it....
Go Loeb.
i would not have any problem with him even if he didn't win a single event but was at least fighting for it... the fact that he was the slowest of them all plus the fact that he forced a CLEARLY FASTER driver to give his place to him FOR 3 EVENTS IN A ROW it is a total disgrace for the sport...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
My feelings for the ford team and especially for their ugliest driver ever are very similar to the following
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs
Slowest driver of the year?? not exactly true is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Mikko did not " force " Jarri Matti to slow down for him. Team orders are part of WRC these days, ok I dont fully agree with them but if they can be used by the team principal to aid one of his drivers in the championship then so be it.
As for fans of Mikko being " sad little men " then that's your opinion. ;)
slowest of all the official ones yes he was....MINI includedQuote:
Originally Posted by Arwel Davies
As for team orders. MIKKO forced them !!!!! the points the manufacturer would get would be exactly the same !!!! So Mikko was totally fine of getting those points !!!!
Be interesting to see the pace of Tanak. He could be up there pushing in the top 5. It would be fair to say Mikko is about 5th by recent pace. Should be a close fight up the top (Loeb and Latvala?) and I can't wait!!
I do not think Loeb will fight for the top...he will fight to be ahead of Hirvonen.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
I see who started this thread, what has happened to AFF nowadays??
One thing I am glad of. The new champion will be decided at the last event, unlike last year. I even followed F1 closer than WRC last year, because it was such a close battle. This year, the tables are turned :D
I'm sure there is a F1 Grand Prix the same weekend as RallyGB.........so all the attention will be on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I would be intersted to know if in 2001 people were saying about Richard what is now being said about Mikko. To my mind Richard was in a much weaker position than Mikko is now because he had only won NZ (he didn't win anything else that year) and Mikko has won two events. People still seem to admire Richard (at least, I still do) and I think in time people will look on Mikko the same way. If Mikko wins the title this year it will be just as valid as Richards as they both prioritized consistent result over speed.
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
I just don't know what to make of these kinds of posts! On one hand they are so hypocritical as to be comical but on the other they are so negative they suck the very spirit out of this forum. Being fairly new to the WRC, I was craving as much information and history on the series I could get my eyeballs on and soon found this forum to have the most technical and well-informed members of any rally forum I visited. Unfortunately it didn't take long to discover it was also cursed with a cancer, someone so negative and condescending as to prevent the average enthusiast from becoming more involved. Unfortunate as the WRC could use all the new fans it can get and I assure you, from a newcomers point of view, you aren't doing it any favors. Take a couple of hours one night and browse through a random sampling of your 14,500+ posts and let me know how many you feel were enlightening, relevant, accurate or relayed in an adult fashion. Maybe it's a "European thing" that as an American I just don't understand but as a Mikko supporter, I assure you that you are the one that comes off sad.
There was some criticism of Burns then yes..that it was more that Colin lost his title than Richard winning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
On the other hand...Burns was up there challenging and being fast on many occations and won many stages. Mikko has been saved by others misfortune...of the factory drivers he has been the weakest in terms of speed and challenging for wins concistently.
I have nothing against Mikko...but his performance is not best in world of rallying this season.
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Originally Posted by olschl
And Petter took time penalty in Corsica to let Burns score that extra point in drivers championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Which does happen - however 4 events in a row is taking the michael.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
I dont understand why you guys just put N.O.T. on your ignore list. Then just nobody has to look at his crap bull s**t talking on this forum. Do like I did weeks ago - put NOT on your ignore list!!
I would do just that, but...I find some of the posts very funny :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
How do you do that please???Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I don't think the 2001 Burns comparison is completely fair. Burns had also a lot of unluck that year, remember his early-season catastrophe, when he pretty much seemed to fall out of any contention for the championship. On five occasions he failed to score. And even though he won once, he finished in Top2 pretty much on merit on quite a few occasions. Perhaps Burns 2003 would be a better comparison to Hirvonen. Until the last two rounds had had just one retirement and consistent point-scoring helped him to stay on top of the championship table, although he never won a rally that year.
Click on your name. Click on Private messages at the top of page. Then go to "edit messages" to the left. There you are: Edit Ignore list.
You're right! Its so much more pleasurable now that he's gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Except when people happen to mistakenly quote him and his maoning and insulting and whining is there once again.
I don't understand why he doesn't just drink some chemicals and end this life of psychological torture he tortures himself with..
Obviously he has an uncontrollable compulsion to watch WRC and then WE collectively have to listen to 99.9% of every word being complains and insults.
FOLKS! Don't use "quotes" with NOT-head, dozens now are befriad (va fan är befiad på angleskij?) Oh ! dozens of happy forumers are liberated from the dirge from Greece, think of the others and don+t quote. NOT like they+re ever anytghing useful that needs quoting.
I must say i like some discussion on the forum, that is why i also like NOT posting his opinion over here. :D
The example that sticks in my mind is Mark Lovell's victory in the 1986 British Open championship, driving the Ford RS200. As I recall he was not in contention for victory at any round, but he scored in all of them and, with the Metro 6R4s proving so unreliable, Mikael Sundstrom not putting in a consistent challenge in the 205 T16 and Hannu Mikkola's challenge ending mid-season when Audi pulled out, this proved enough. I would never describe him as an undeserving champion, though, because he fulfilled the criteria that really matters — getting more points than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Agreed!
But when 99% of everything he writes is ______________________ is a sick dog and the remaining part is simply idiotic like "Hirvonen is the slowest man in the WRC" that's NOT an opinion, it's just noise, and negative noise at that...Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
Opinions related to reality, or even simply humorous related to the sport are what we are all here for NOT "sick dog" "village drivers" and endless contempt... is NOT what I want to read day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day day after day, year after year.
So select "ignore" and 96% of the droning and whining is gone, and people who are fans and enthusiasts can discuss like somewhat sober adults.
Except for those Finns, they're drunk all the time, it's the law in Finland so it's OK.
I appreciate what you are saying. I recall that Richard was always setting competitive times as well; however Mikko has won the odd power stage this year and I don't think that should be overlooked. I do think though that you can read into statistics in many different ways. I think that Mikko may have sacrificed some speed to get his final results. I respect that approach because I perceive rally to be a sport of attrition and going flat out all the time to win approach is best suited to F1. I cannot remember how good Richard's 2001 Subaru was but we do know that Ford in not the fastest car and Mikko has to adjust to that. Mikko has the best chance to win a title in Wales and it will be a valid title (if he gets it) because it is a demonstrates a lot of patience.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
You can put NOT to ingnore list but it doens't change anything related to Mikko. I would like to see since years that someone beat Loeb (just because it's good for the sport) but Mikko's fighting attitude and performance not like a champion. Loeb deserve the crone this year (again) and hopefully we will see next year a better Ford team with Ogier and Latvala
At that time, there were 20 factory cars in the rallies and another 10-15 good (semi) privateer drivers. Matthew Wilson must be very lucky that he was too young to drive in that period, because he should never end in the points. 2001 was a fantastic year with very big names and in the tarmac rounds there were also the tarmac experts like Gilles Panizzi, Jesus Puras and Philippe Bugalski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Burns won much more SS than Hirvonen. It is another world, 2001 with always fantastic entry lists, much candidate winners before the start and now there are only 2 factory teams that are doing the full WRC and you have that stupid SupeRally system and this year also that Power Stage thing. Not so long ago, the last SS was about 20 and sometimes even 30 km, now the last SS isn't so long as a rallysprint stage.
Hirvonen is very lucky that he finished all events this year. He has made in almost every rally a big mistake, but he has much more luck than let's say when Latvala makes a mistake.
Go Loeb.
>>Except for those Finns, they're drunk all the time, it's the law in Finland so it's OK.
Highly offensive :mad:
I'm telling mom!!! :D
That's what i would say is an croatian way to go, either mom or the moderator, depends who is closer by :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jiipee64
Hahahah.
And from that sort of luck can championships be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
Janvurpa// befriad in english is like "set free".
I think those of you who are disappointed to Mikko is so because he´s the one to put the blame on.
When no one of the opponent factory team drivers can challenge Loeb then Mikko is to be blamed. Me too think he´s not performing at 100% level this year or year before, but still he is one of lets say 3-4 other drivers that had failed in giving Loeb a competition. Drivers who was expected to match Mr Loeb but didnt.
But Mikko is the scapegoat as the only one failed.
I think with the right motivation, and that´s what he has in GB of course, he will give Mr Loeb a competition we´ll never forget.
Let the best man in GB win the WRDC!!
It's the only fair-play way to do things. I mean what the hell kind of country and sporting results would you have in Finland if you weren't all always drunk all the time?? Why you guys would conquer the world kinda like that film "Star-Wreck" I saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiipee64
So don't go whining to Mom, have another slurk of Korsu and everything will be alright..
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Richard Burns and Petter Solberg taking the mick - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Quality :D
Haha good one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tfp