Arizona Congresswoman Wounded; Several Killed by Gunman

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Is that the same state that ruled over Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia because ALL THE PEOPLE chose so?

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Please inform me where in Eki's post to which you refer he makes the slightest reference, even implied, to the Soviet Union?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

My experiences of same. Yourself included.



I don't know. However, do provide us with the benefit of your wisdom on the matter. I trust detailed studies have been conducted, and not under the supervision of Professor Google.

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I live here, do you?

Yet you are arrogant enough to say how people, in an area you know nothing about in fact, are paranoid?

You, like another poster on this forum who loudly boasts on others states of mind, are a legend in your own.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you believe in the rule of law?

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Some times.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Please inform me where in Eki's post to which you refer he makes the slightest reference, even implied, to the Soviet Union?

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Then tell me which state he is speaking of.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Please try again, this time writing in English without the usual pompous yet inarticulately-used bluster. What is wrong with my saying I would feel less safe in a crowd full of gun-wielders?

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Truth hurts, I see.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I live here, do you?

Yet you are arrogant enough to say how people, in an area you know nothing about in fact, are paranoid?

You, like another poster on this forum who loudly boasts on others states of mind, are a legend in your own.

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Well, that's told me, hasn't it?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Truth hurts, I see.

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Answer the question I put to you.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You are forwarding ideas totally based on paranoia.

But to make you happy, in Minnesota, a armed man tried to high-jack a car.
The driver to protect his wife, attacked and disarmed the high-jacker.
The wife called 911 on her cell and told them what had happened and that her husband was hold the criminal at gunpoint.
The trained authority arrives, gets out of his car, with a shotgun and shoots the womens husband dead.

Yeah, the only people I want armed are the police, you know, they are super-men unlike the huddled masses who are ignorant fools.

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This seems to be the perfect reason not to have guns!

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Is that the same state that ruled over Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia because ALL THE PEOPLE chose so?

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OK, so your state is occupied by the US against the will of most people of your state. Which state is that, and do you have an independence movement?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Some times.

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To think that you consider the values in which you believe are worth exporting...

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Then tell me which state he is speaking of.

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The states in dictatorships.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Is the government a threat where you live? Here the government is a friend. I thought only in third world dictatorships people were afraid of their government.

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The founders of this country knew the only way to make a government respect its citizenry, at all times, was to live in fear of the results of betraying said same citizenry.

The U.S. Civil War, was a case in fact; the South had full right to secede, fortunately for Lincoln, that fact did not stop the citizens of the North from going to war with the South.

In this day and age, a civil war is less likely, as with all the law scholars out there, if some truly wanted to secede, no law would stop them and getting the military to intercede would be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You are forwarding ideas totally based on paranoia.

But to make you happy, in Minnesota, a armed man tried to high-jack a car.
The driver to protect his wife, attacked and disarmed the high-jacker.
The wife called 911 on her cell and told them what had happened and that her husband was hold the criminal at gunpoint.
The trained authority arrives, gets out of his car, with a shotgun and shoots the womens husband dead.

Yeah, the only people I want armed are the police, you know, they are super-men unlike the huddled masses who are ignorant fools.

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Link please. That sounds like grade a bullplop.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

The founders of this country knew the only way to make a government respect its citizenry, at all times, was to live in fear of the results of betraying said same citizenry.

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I'm sure if the founding fathers were here they'd tell you to shut your piehole and realise that the country is a lot different to what it was back then and that there's no need for the populace to be armed to the point where they start shooting each other.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Link please. That sounds like grade a bullplop.

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I predict that his response will be to (a) not answer the question, (b) criticise the 'asinine', 'obtuse' nature of your 'rhetoric', and (c) come out with an insult he's used before, possibly along the lines of one being a legend in one's own mind.

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Originally Posted by Eki

OK, so your state is occupied by the US against the will of most people of your state. Which state is that, and do you have an independence movement?

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I feel for you Bob. The US is a bully. Even Moqtada Sadr wants the Iraqis to unite against the US, be they Shiia or Sunni:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12141874

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Iraq Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr urges Iraqis to unite

Anti-US Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr has told an enthusiastic crowd of followers in Iraq to give the country's new government a chance.

The radical cleric was making his first speech since returning to his stronghold in Najaf after nearly four years of self-imposed exile in Iran.

Last month his movement secured a deal to join the new government with seven ministries and 39 seats in parliament.

He urged resistance against "occupiers of Iraq" and led chants against the US.

His militia, the Mehdi Army, clashed several times with US and Iraqi forces after the 2003 US-led invasion.

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Originally Posted by shazbot

This seems to be the perfect reason not to have guns!

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For whom the police?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

For whom the police?

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For whom the police what?

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Originally Posted by Eki

OK, so your state is occupied by the US against the will of most people of your state. Which state is that, and do you have an independence movement?

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You are trying to work your way out having to defend your statement from this exchange:

Originally Posted by anthonyvop
So in your world only the state has the right to decide who's life should be protected?

That really saddens me that people actually feel that way.

Originally posted by Eki
"The state" is formed of people, all the people in that state, not just of one individual like Charles Manson or you. I certainly wouldn't want Charles Manson or you to have the right to decide whose life should be protected. And the state without people is nothing.
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First you say the state, simply the state, but when that balloon bursts in your face, you try to skew your generalization.
SO
Is "the state" the people, or is it not?

Well, in an ideal world yes! One could perhaps argue that without so many guns in publics hands the hijacker may not have been armed, and the situation may not have turned out the way it did. All hypothetical of course - In an ideal world we'd have peace and love and auto racing :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

To think that you consider the values in which you believe are worth exporting...

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I do not believe in exporting anything, I am not in the import-export business.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I do not believe in exporting anything, I am not in the import-export business.

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Good for you.

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Originally Posted by Eki

I feel for you Bob. The US is a bully. Even Moqtada Sadr wants the Iraqis to unite against the US, be they Shiia or Sunni:

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Yeah, and I see he and probably some of his muslim buddies, have decided they will get more traction now, if they start murdering Christians, especially if they are in church.

Quite the man whose opinion you seem to think has merit.

I am not aware of 'mulim'.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm sure if the founding fathers were here they'd tell you to shut your piehole and realise that the country is a lot different to what it was back then and that there's no need for the populace to be armed to the point where they start shooting each other.

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Oh, you are sure, please give us the reason.

I await with abated breath for this astounding revelation.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Link please. That sounds like grade a bullplop.

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You look it up.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I am not aware of 'mulim'.

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I fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You look it up.

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Without access to your imagination, that may be hard for him.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I fixed it for you.

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And look at the difference it's made. What was a poorly-spelled, badly-punctuated rant is now merely a badly-punctuated rant.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Oh, you are sure, please give us the reason.

I await with abated breath for this astounding revelation.

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What reason? You're jibber jabbering......

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You look it up.

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I found it here

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+do+I+find...ng+on+about%3F

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What reason? You're jibber jabbering......

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Are you sure of this also?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And look at the difference it's made. What was a poorly-spelled, badly-punctuated rant is now merely a badly-punctuated rant.

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Oooooh, you sound so manly when you write like this, it just sends shivers up my spine.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Are you sure of this also?

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:laugh:

You're a joke and I think even Tony and Roamy would be ashamed to be on the same political wing as you. To say that your ability to participate in a debate is "weak" is to overstate your abilities massively.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

:laugh:

You're a joke and I think even Tony and Roamy would be ashamed to be on the same political wing as you. To say that your ability to debate is "weak" is to overstate your abilities massively.

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You actually THINK, shizzam, that is a revelation.

Now I had my fun with you, have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You actually THINK, shizzam, that is a revelation.

Now I had my fun with you, have a good day.

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Wow I've been zinged :( Ben, may I comfort myself against your heaving manly chest? :bigcry:

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Without access to your imagination, that may be hard for him.

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Are you sure?

Announcement for everyone

http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/4154...-the-troll.jpg

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Wow I've been zinged :( Ben, may I comfort myself against your heaving manly chest? :bigcry:

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I think we've all been taught a lesson here. I, for one, am going to go away and have a good, long mull over my opinions in the light of the powerful arguments deployed here.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think we've all been taught a lesson here. I, for one, am going to go away and have a good, long mull over my opinions in the light of the powerful arguments deployed here.

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Please don't go. I need your manly chest. No homo.

http://current.com/shows/infomania/9...ay-no-homo.htm