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i just find it incredible that the whole world is running behind some poor girl worrying about her pussy and if some guy gets a little strange stuff. My God the secret service guys were just being boys. The will be lucky
if they don't have to stand trial at the Hague for dick wandering. Christ they may overthrow Italy. Just think when the muslims take over. Then the poor girl will get stoned to death.
I do find it very strange that an arbitrary choice of age should mean that the mere matter of a day is the difference between being a criminal and not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I don't disagree with any of that, except the death penalty bit, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I don't know how many cases of statutory rape are actually prosecuted in a close age scenario. In today’s environment of do-gooders and political correctness nothing would amaze me. When I was 18 my 17 year old girlfriend and I were playing "hide the Salami" in the back of my parents station wagon on a place called Fiesta Island in Mission Bay. A cop caught us with our pants down (actually she managed to get hers mostly on although they were inside out). We had some alcohol which we were both under the age to have. I was about 15 months older than her. The cop simply told me to pour out the alcohol, informed me that he could have arrested me for as he put it, "Felony Dumb $hit," and told us to be on our way. Things have probably changed in California since 1972. I have not made a study of such matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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Can you believe the F____king idiots we have in office - Here is the latest quote
Chuck Grassley: Colombian prostitutes or Russian spies?
This guy has probably never be laid in his life. And if so it probably had 4 legs. Do you think we have a problem in Washington or what.
What you do have a problem with is paranoia relating to security issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Oh it happens often enough. a fired had a girlfriend who was late 15, he was late 17, no problems...within a week of turning 18 he was arrested and charged and convicted of rape of a minor since he was (gasp!!!!)"three years older".....5 years in Oregon Prison....Happens when a prosecutor wants to mollify some Bible thumping hypocrites...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
This was maybe 8 years ago... Life is rough as a convicted felon and sex offender, nobody will hire him...
This is a classic issue for debate in philosophy. How many grains does it take to have a pile?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
What would be your solution, then?
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
As described, this does sound a harsh verdict. Appropriate to a 30-year old adult who should know better. But the 17-18 year old presumably knew what the law is - at that age we certainly did even if we only fantasised about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Is the answer is to have sentencing guidelines for judges. Not published for public consumption, but available to judges, and possibly to legal counsel (as they'll find out anyway), on a confidential basis.
How to police it is difficult. Prosecutors will appeal against an excessively light sentence and they should (in an ideal world) also appeal against excessively heavy ones but they won't. The private individual often can't afford the legal costs for an appeal. So should the committee setting the guidelines be charged with making an appeal in this sort of case. As part of their scrutiny they should advise/ admonish judges for excessively heavy and excessively light sentences.
A tricky issue.
Two problems:Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
1. the guy should have not been put in prison
2. Parents should be able to consent for the minor.
prosecutors get a track record by sending people to prison- so they don't give a sh!t about anything but incarceration.
the track record gets them a better job with a legal defense firm.
They publish lists that show where each registered sex offender lives in local papers and are easy to find on the internet. That is very harsh punishment and there is a whole vigilante culture that actually has members try to intimidate these lawbreakers. As far the 18 year old kid is concerned he is the one that get's screwed. It is a very good idea to know the law and consider the consequences, as you say Mr. Rollo.
The poor ******* can't even join The French Foreign Legion where he could renounce his citizenship, put in 5 years and name himself anything he wants as a French Citizen. However they do background checks and don't admit convicted felons.
Nothing that I can think of short of this will allow you to lose the stigma you will carry around for the rest of your miserable life.
How to Join the French Foreign Legion | eHow.comQuote:
Submit to a preliminary background check. Although the Legion has a reputation for taking all who enlist, felons will not be permitted to join and will be turned away at this point
This is the Anglo-Saxon legal approach based on common law where each case is treated individually. The rest of the world and Louisiana, too has a legal system based on the Roman law where each case is treated on the same grounds with all others. I.e. a criminal code would stipulate that such and such crime punishable by 5 to 7 years of imprisonment. This is as wide a room for manoever as any judge has. I.e. an 18 year old guy who had romantic sex with his 15 year old girlfriend gets about the same treatment as a 60 year old pedophile who screwed a 10 year old girl. I'm mot saying it's good or bad, but that's the way it is. Of course, a lot depends on whether the injured side wants to press the charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
I got the lowdown from a family member that was a deputy DA for the County of San Diego, and is now a capitol felony defense attorney. She told me that currently in California; statutory rape charges are only brought, and prosecuted if the adult is at least 36 months older than the minor.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
You have a great command of the English Language, and you speak like someone who has some legal background. I find your contributions for the most part very enlightening. I'm not sure if you mentioned the desire of the victim to "press charges" as a nuance of the case, because the victim doesn't want to see her adult partner get in deep sh!t, but all she can do is try to convolute the case, and testify for the defense with a denial of the events. Statutory rape just like any assault in California does not require the victim to press charges. If the State has enough evidence to prosecute they will. That is the meaning of statutory rape. The State will prosecute because they believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the adult broke this law, or statute. In most cases it is a parent that reports the adult, and then the burden of proof is in the hands of the prosecution. If they feel they have enough evidence to prosecute they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
The world is in total disarray - our country is in total disarray. Corruption with government officials is rampant and out of control worldwide. People seem to be content to do nothing about it. Oh but wait look at what our country is doing !!
New Secret Service scandal centers on strippers, prostitutes in El Salvador...
Yes here we are again - attacking another country over a piece of ass
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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
I appreciate your high opinion of my language ability but my knowledge of legal matters is pretty superficial. That's why my wording was confusing. Statutory rape is statutory rape and state will proceed with prosecution if they believe they have a solid case. What I meant was that without cooperation from the injured side, chances of the prosecution winning the case are slim. Forensics don't mean much if the alleged victim doesn't want to testify. Therefore, the prosecution might opt to drop the case or not start it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
This morning I had four candies on my desk. I can't believe I made such a quick work of a pile of candies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
There are one or two streets in Barcelona that I will simply avoid at all times. Like market day. It's impossible for a man to walk on those streets, day or night, because of the number of prostitutes, and they're not just slinking in the shadows making come here gestures. You get mobbed, and it's not at all pleasant. First thing is hold onto your wallet, then keep everything else to yourself and get the hell out of there. Sad, really...
Watch you waist. Better go back to grains instead of candies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
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I guite agree and it is not a comon leagle practice anywhere only a very well to do pererson would persue something like this. Aslo proof probably is inQuote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
the woman That has the baby, and dude is .999999099 sure he in a heap'o'$h*t :mark: :uhoh:
oooooooh send a google map pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by fandango
Ha-ha, you're getting predictable. As soon as I posted I thought someone will have that wisecrack, and I wondered (for just a very short time) who it would be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Ya and I am getting instructions from Race about how and where to in Cartagena :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fandango
fousto - I thought they knew you by name in Cartagena. :bandit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Beautiful city by the beach surrounded by walls built by the spaniards to protect from pirate attacks - a beautiful "old city" section - a lot of partying - and any type of sexual favor needed will be supplied for a price.
A lot of tourists go there precisely for that.
In many/most states, they can. Parents in my state and others can consent to a minor child marrying or having relationships with adults. When I was in high school, one of the male teachers married a female student who was 16. He sought her parents' permission, received it, the courts declared her an emancipated minor and they lived unhappily ever after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Where people typically get into trouble is when the law allows for an age gap (16 year old girl and a 19 year old guy) but someone who is 30 thinks it should be OK to have a relationship with that same 16 year old. The law is the law. I'm FAR from a puritan. But especially in teacher/student scenarios, as I stated previously, only a defective adult female teacher would be pursuing a relationship with a male (or female) student half her age... no different than a male doing the same thing. Where I see "political correctness" is when people support special rules and privileges based on gender, or whatever. And it's typically a middle aged+ male, who still has fantasies of Mrs. Goodbody, his 10th grade English teacher, who wore a sheer dress to class one day and stood in the sunlight, who thinks these kinds of female adult/male minor relationships are acceptable. Responsible adults learn to control their urges. We have laws (even though some are based on arbitrary ages) for minors because they are not expected to have fully developed those same control mechanisms yet.
I don't have children... probably never will. But I'm VERY keen on education. So if I did have a child (son or daughter), I would not be sending them to school to learn the birds & the bees from some socially challenged 30 year old, who is unable to/incapable of dating someone her own age. Having my son as the class stud or my daughter as the class sl#t would suggest my failure as a parent. But that's just me. With the U.S. now absolutely full of irresponsible young males with STD's and teen moms collecting "baby-daddy MIA" welfare (dreaming of the day when they MIGHT get their GED), clearly my view is not shared by many these days.
Don't worry Fousto, I'm working on updating GPS Points of Interest with a special edition for you. Just press the little red light symbol and it will take you to the nearest location. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
You might not be a puritan but you're posting like one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
If someone over 30 has consented sexual relationship with someone aged 16, 17, 18 etc it's their bloody business and there is no age limiting the sexual attraction that two human beings can feel.
I'm quite sure the student mentioned earlier in this thread was more than happy to have his teacher blow him and then he went and made it all public to reap the admiration of his colleagues without thinking that he might have her serve prison for this.
If you'll have a son or a daughter who want to get laid with someone older they will do it no matter what you might think and do about it. It's how it works with adolescents and no one found a cure to it yet.
'Absolutely full'? A slight exaggeration, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Exactly. This is not to say that it's a wise thing to do, on the part of either party, but it is unavoidable that such instances will occur. We should in society restrict illegality, no matter what the subject, to areas in which rendering something illegal will actually make a difference to behaviour. This, like certain drugs, is not such a case.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
perfect - lets do a iPhone app and call it "Red Light"Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I'll let you beta test for me. Once it goes public you can come visit on the yacht at Monaco and we can discuss future release updates and changes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
This situation has been in place for quite a while. Ever heard "Maggie May" by Rod Stewart?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Sorry if my objection to adult/child sexual relations seems puritanical to you. But it is what it is. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I don't know. But here in the U.S. (outside of certain fundamentalist religious cults), you probably won't find too many people who find such relationships acceptable - especially those involving teachers. And say, why did you stop at 16? Why not 12 or 13, or even 11 - or is that what you meant by "no age limit"? I personally find that rather disturbing. As you seem to be defining "consent" here, anyone who can speak can say "yes" or "no", correct? So as long as the minor is physically capable, why not let that be the deciding factor? So a 40 year old man and a 14 year old girl... Let Love Rule (good Lenny Kravitz tune, BTW), you'd say? No, the primal desires of either party aside, that just doesn't fly with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
To further cement my puritanical stance, I'm also opposed to selling cigarettes to 5 year olds and hard liquor to toddlers - maybe a six pack of beer, but not hard liquor. They shouldn't be drinking hard liquor until they're at least 7, right? They can have their 40 year old boyfriends buy it for them by then. :p
Sure have... an oldie but a goodie. But my favorite Rod Stewart & The Faces tune was "Every Picture Tells a Story". Though I'd say the best one for this thread would be "Forever Young" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz
Hmm, maybe a bit hyperbolic in tone, but not really an exaggeration. We actually do have a major and growing problem with STD's among teens here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Rates of STDs among teens reach epidemic levels
I'm not against two teens or two near teens forming a relationship. But a 30 or 40 year old and a 12-16 year old??? Come on now, guys! It's one thing to hoist the libertarian flag in the interest of a good hypothetical discussion. But I'm beginning to hear this Kinks tune play in my head as I read some of these posts. :eek:Quote:
One in four teenage girls in the U.S. has an STD, according to the Centers for Disease Control. In Wisconsin, the rate of four of the most commonly reported STDs among teens jumped 53 percent between 1997 and 2007.
The U.S. spends an estimated $15.9 billion annually on direct medical care for STDs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAfxWV4eCiM