Seriously, 10 a.m. means 10 a.m.
Could they once start an announcement on time?
Clearly its Chevy coming back though
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Seriously, 10 a.m. means 10 a.m.
Could they once start an announcement on time?
Clearly its Chevy coming back though
According to Autosport, Penske have announced they will be using Chevys from 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamoo
So how does Ilmor fit into this? They are rebuilding Honda's now right? Are they going back to Chevy??
Gotta say - the pictures of the new car are looking better as they refine the concept / get better "photos"
I am genuinely excited/hopeful for 2012
Congrats everyone. We officially have another horse in the race and I'm happy to see it!!!! Turbo's baby!
Ilmor's partnership with Honda had been reduced to rebuilding approx. 20% of the current engine pool. There were no plans for their involvement in design and development of the new Honda V6, and that came straight from HPD a few months ago.
That might mean 2011 rebuilds are all handled by HPD, but otherwise nothing has changed. Ilmor builds the 2012 Chevy V6 as a joint venture with GM, Penske makes a nice cut, and away we go.
That should also be two more nails in the coffin for the notion of Delta as a viable competitor. To both Penske and major manufacturers, that idea didn't gain much traction.
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Originally Posted by Enjun Pullr
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-picks-penske/Quote:
Our sources also call for Ilmor Engineering, Honda's current partner for its IZOD IndyCar Series engine program, to break with the Japanese manufacturer and focus solely on Chevy's new 2.4L twin-turbo V6 IndyCar engine. Ilmor had been with Honda since its entry into the Indy Racing League in 2003 and did more than 50 percent of the workload of assembling and re-building engines along with Honda Performance Development.
HPD president Erik Berkman was unavailable for comment on Thursday.
Usually when a manufacture enters a series the established competitors issue a release welcoming them into the fold..........Hmmmm
This is from the Speed article:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Erik Berkman, Honda Performance Development President: “We want to take this opportunity to welcome Chevrolet back to the IZOD IndyCar Series. Although we are certainly proud of HPD’s numerous accomplishments during our tenure as single engine supplier to the Series – including an active and unprecedented streak of five consecutive Indianapolis 500s completed without an engine failure – we have repeatedly and unequivocally expressed our desire for engine competition within the Series, dating even from our first days of sole supply, in 2006. We look forward to renewing our relationship with Chevrolet as competitors on the race track and giving the fans of open-wheel racing a spirited and challenging rivalry.”
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...motors-returns
I'm glad to see another manufacturer in the mix. Sounds like it's an engine deal, didn't see anything said about making body kits.
They said there would be an aero kit that will be developed with help from Penske's team.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBell
It looks like we'll have four Aero kits, the Dallara, Lotus, Chevy and Honda.
Hey Anthony,
Journalists like Pruett are good about publishing sketchy information from vague sources, present company included.
I picked up the phone and called HPD three months ago. Most of these people will talk, if they know you have a clue.
You can also go thruogh Gordon Kirby's archives and read his interview with Mario Ilien from a few months ago, there was no secret rift developing.
Good news!Quote:
Originally Posted by bblocker68
I guess time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enjun Pullr
nice promo vid of Chevy's history in IndyCar:
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Today's press conference:
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quotes from Helio, Barnhart, Penske, and track officials.
http://www.fanviewpoint.com/2010/11/...o-indycar.html
my closing...The feeling here is this is outstanding news. This series has struggled to maintain it's place as a major motorsport, having been plagued by low ratings and poor attendance. The news should help track promoters market the series in 2011, never mind 2012. This also signals a future return to prominence for the embattled Bowtie brand. We've seen how Honda engineers have devolved superior products through on track engineering. Now we'll see if GM can parlay on track success to successes at the local Chevy dealerships. Don't bet against the Bowtie on this one.
On another note...with Simona so prominently featured today, can we take from her appearance that she may be headed to Penske?
I have to think that Cosworth will have a card in all of this before 2012 also. Considering Kalkoven owns it with Forsythe, along with the Lotus commitment to KV and the series, I would not be surprised if we end up with Lotus Cosworth also.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
That would leave Dallara as the only non-engine supplier on the board with an aero kit. Might make slim pickins' for teams wanting to go with them.
Cosworth has said earlier it would take a manufacturer to badge them for Cosworth to do it. They were interested if that was the case, but not interested in coming in as Cosworth. I'm not sure Lotus is going to shell out the money to do that. Now Ford seems to be doing well now and the combination of them and Chevy plus Honda would really be something to build on. Ford-Cosworth....some things just belong together.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
I'd agree with that 100%, although the Ford/Cosworth is pure speculation. Ford continues to publicly maintain a lack of interest. Publicly.
If I am Mazda or Lotus or even Ford I would try to contract the engine work to an independent builder for one engine and possibly split the cost between two or more manufacturers.
Id especially consider a 4-cylinder entry. With the others (so far) being 6 cylinders there is an opportunity for special concessions for 4 cylinders, seeing as they would be at an inherent disadvantage.
Ford and Mazda are in direct competition, but their overall costs are lower too making for a higher potential for ROI.
How are Ford and Mazda in "direct" competition. Ford still owns 13.4% of Mazda.
Granted that's not controlling interest, but still impressive.
Dude - you're in Simaniacs fantasy land. Wake up!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-o
I know, thats what I meant. Maybe I should've said "would be in direct competition". Should they both enter the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Interesting story. Good one too....and good news.
As for Penske being behind it, no surprise there. He supports the Detroit automakers as a rule when he can; and by doing this and getting Penske specific aero, he is trying to rebuild his "unfair advantage". There is a reason he is called the Captain...
Ford's Mazda stake is down to 11% now and should be down to less than 3% by the end of this year. The two companies are still going to work together on certain projects, but they're no longer joined at the hip. Even when CCWS voted Ford Racing off the (sinking) island several years ago, Mazda remained involved with the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
But still, Penske/Ilmor obviously had a big hand in getting GM involved. I don't think Kalkhoven (or anyone else involved with the IRL) has any similar relationship with Ford Racing. Mazda, I don't know about.
Whoa. thanks for that. I had no idea. :burnout:Quote:
Originally Posted by vintage
You can put me in the clueless pile when it comes to driver politics. All's I was pointing out was how prominent she was in this announcement. No Danica...She (simona) seems a bit connected.
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by DBell
Once again our intrepid "reporter" ignores the facts to suit his agenda in his attempt to piss in our Wheaties.
Gary
Oh man, wouldn't THAT be incredible!! Not that I expect it, but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-o
Gary
Didn't Ford recently sell, or announce it intends to sell, its interest in Mazda?Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Gary
I'm far from a 'simaniac' has somone referred to me. :s mokin: But I think there has to be something to the fact that she was one of the driver's there. If nothing else, a shrewd recognition of press opportunity. IndyCar supplied quotes from Hildebrand, Power, Simona, Helio, and Plowman. Can we assume that they are the new 'chevy' team maybe? There has to be more to this than just opportunity for face time.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Ford used to own 33.3% of Mazda. Under Japanese law, if you own one-third of a company you can have veto power over the board of directors.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
http://miscstuff.wordpress.com/2008/...sell-20-stake/
It's the off season, there's probably not a lot of drivers in town or available to choose from, and I suspect they wanted at least one of the female drivers there for the announcement. I doubt Milka was high on the list, Sarah's not a full time driver any longer. Considering The Danica was in Phoenix for Nationwide qualifying and it's highly unlikely she will be powered by a Chevy (IF she's still in indycars by 2010) she probably wasn't available or even their first choice. I wouldn't read too much into he drivers that were there other than the obvious in Helio and Power. A lot can and will happen to the driver line ups between now and the 2012 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-o
They have been slowly selling off their interest in Mazda for a while now. Ford avoided the government handouts by selling off their assets and Mazda is basically the last to go. Ford and Mazda had a good number of inter-twined poducts that needed to run their course as well. There's a lot of question how well Mazda will be able to survive without Ford's interest. I'd suspect Mazda will seek out a new partner fairly quickly, and I wouldn't be suprized to see a Chinese suitor to look for Mazda's well established dealership network to enter the US, but that's just me speculating.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
I don't know if I'm a "Simonamaniac" or not, but since there aren't really any other IRL drivers that draw my interest right now (and I'm not expecting Scott Speed, A.J. Allmendinger, Lewis Hamilton or Kamui Kobayashi to be in the IRL in 2012... or ever), any sliver of hope that things will get better for Simona makes me happy enough. Good catch on the press conference. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-o
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Originally Posted by downtowndeco
A guy/gal who has never been to a race determining who is and isn't a fan
Classic
New GM shares started the day at $32 and closed just above $34 with a high of $36. You're welcome, America.
I repeat; It's so clear, in a thread like this, who is here because they are a genuine fan and who is here just to piss all over any possible bit of good news Indycar may get. Really, it's so obvious it's almost laughable.
And add;If the shoe fits, wear it.
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Originally Posted by SarahFan
Good news for IRL!
With hesitation to get involved, I think when you posted this comment earlier it was dead on accurate with who it was intended for. I don't see that being the case here with SarahFan. He is a genuine fan and is behind the series. I don't see what he is "pissing" on here to ruin "news" for everybody? In this case, your comment doesn't seem to fit the action.Quote:
Originally Posted by downtowndeco
Dear GM,Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_andrew
Where is the rest of my money?
Regards,
America
So Anthony, I guess you have been posting about the ALMS GM cars for years now eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Guess I missed those posts about your fave series.
rh
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Your money was paid back in the first sale of GM stock. I told them to hold on to my money so you could get paid first and stop bitchin' about it.
Gary