Printable View
Should be interesting Mark is kind of notorious for his inconsistant starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
He seemed pretty relaxed about it during the interview. I'm trying to decide if overnight rain or any pre-race rain for that matter will affect one side more than the other. :confused:
BTW Vettel will go for the chop on Mark I'm guessing :eek:
ABTW I've never approved of Fred's propensity to do the hand jive at other pilots. I don't go mental over it though ( dumb as it is)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Would you be doing better after the team shafted you in front of everyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
What does he have to fight for, Santander's title?! Not interesting at all.
Typical Ferrari crap, if true. They should man up and fight it out on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
From Autosport:" Nico Rosberg also escaped a penalty, having been under investigation for having impeded Fernando Alonso during final practice."
Hang on!!!! I didn't know that it was an offense at all if someone impedes another driver during practice? What's this all about?
There is no offense for holding up someone during free practice, and this is why I do not understand why the stewards even considered to investigate this typical Ferrari crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I have to say that the track reminded me a street circuit with barriers being close. Well, actually Valencia sprung into my mind immediately, when I was watching the qualifying session.
Interesting battle for pole. Alonso looked set for pole, but RBR drivers managed to finally get everything out of the car in the last attempt. But I suspect Alonso is likely to be at least second after the start and first corners tomorrow. Slipstreaming on the second straight is going to be interesting. In any case, frontrunners are close and it remains to be seen, how can RBR drivers cope with the pressure and Alonso's attacks in the race to capitalize on their grid positions. I think Yeongam may suit Ferrari more than Interlagos in comparison to RBR, so must be really the opportunity for Spaniard to try to take the maximum from here. But the session confirmed that McLaren needs a miracle to win the WDC and also WCC is slipping away.
What was the issue of Kovalainen? Lotus drivers have been close in qualis all season, so odd to suddenly see such gap. And Senna getting trashed by Yamamoto? Well, if everyone agrees that Sakon doesn't deserve to be in F1, then you know, what to think about this man... Alguersuari again outqualifying Buemi, so good to see him finally finding some consistency. Massa has been quite out of his depth in the last few GP weekends - it looks like his confidence is one of his all-time lows, while since Germany he seemed on a rise.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9120591.stm
Schumi in trouble again.
He has to fight in order to keep his seat a Ferrari next year, or he will end at Toro Rosso, Force India or even at HRT...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yeah sure, what else? LdM told you this personally?!Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Not that it would surprise me to see Ferrari shaft the guy who almost died racing one of their cars, not at all given that they are a team who invites slimebag Flab into their motorhomes and pit boxes! :rolleyes:
Ferrari F1 team can flourish only if Italians are not taking the decisions, like during Todt-Brawn-Byrne-Schumacher who took decisions using their heads not their feet and ego.
Massa's performance is underwhelming, and will not enhance Felipe's standing within Ferrari for next year, nor will it do his future job prospects with other teams any good. That is what should be motivating him, if achieving the best possible positions in races is not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The red car rule......Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I agree with the sentiments of theugsquirrel here. Racing for Santander and Alonso, as such, probably isn't interesting indeed. But what Massa can do in such situation, is to simply enjoy being part of F1, get the enjoyment of driving the car as fast as he can and battling with others cars on track - like living in his own world. A lot is dependent on tweaking the thinking. After all he can feel relaxed about not being involved in the title fight, so can just purely enjoy racing without such pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Perhaps over time Massa can learn enjoying the status of an underdog driver, at the moment he clearly isn't used to it. Just let's look at Button for contrast, he seems to enjoy his underdog status. Before the season everyone kept telling, how McLaren is Hamilton's team, he is the number one there and Button has no chance. Well, he never cared and despite being outpaced he is getting the results. If Massa can reach such relaxed feeling for 2011, he may actually really surprise. And it's the only way he can do it. But by thinking that "oh well I'm a number 2 driver and how frustrating is that" he will never do that. It would be quite pointless.
Who knows, perhaps 2010 will be valuable for Massa's development as a driver. It has been a good character building season as for the first time in his F1 career he may feel that Ferrari isn't supporting him (they did even in his Sauber days). But he has the whole winter to think, how to approach next season with such knowledge and adapt to the situation.
I don't think Ferrari, or any other team, really need a driver who simply gives up, if what you imply is true. If you're a quitter, then there's no place for you in F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
No penalty for Rosberg; a reprimand for Schumacher.
No LdM didn't tell me that, I just think and hope Massa isn't that stupid to play against Ferrari especially with so few seat available at top Team for next season. And why you care how Ferrari deals with drivers anyway...thanks God you're not, and you've never been a real tifoso !Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Document No.33Quote:
Document No.27
No / Driver 14 - Adrian Sutil
Team Force India F1 Team
Time 14:01:00
Session Qualifying
Fact Pit Lace Speeding - 108.9 km/h
Offence Breach of Article 30.12 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Penalty Fine - €1,800
Document No.34Quote:
Originally Posted by "
Quote:
Originally Posted by "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/5019
FIA and BBC both predict heavy rain for the race!
But I'll wait 'til I see it.
So true. If you have to go searching around for "motivation", it's time to get the hell out. You have the most amazing job in the world, regardless of anything. If you can't get motivated for that, then you're toast, and might as well follow Kimi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ent
I am not saying that this is what Massa is going through, but any driver who can't motivate themselves for racing in F1 should really call it quits.
I wouldn't like to see the WDC decided by weather at this point in the season.
That would surely make things interesting. I am not sure what to think of it. I would LIKE rain before the race, so the dusty side of the starting grid gets washed off. If it is such a big disadvantage like many seem to think, it would be a very unfair component in the crucial title fight. Rain during the race would also take the tire wear factor out of it, but I am also not sure I want weather to influence the title fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
Might also be interesting to see whether a high-attrition wet race can bring one of the new teams a point! :)
It is raining there now. So there goes the advantage over the dirty side of the grid.Quote:
Originally Posted by maximilian
The question is now whether the race will be wet AND what the rain will do to the tarmac surface. :s hock:
Because you think that if Massa would be ahead of Alonso on the track they would let him win?!Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
So what use to try to do better just to be ordered to turn down teh revs and let the other guy by?
Maybe you would do what you think Massa should do, but then again is it important to Felipe what you guys think of him or what he thinks is right for him to do?!
Judging someone from your own subjective POV only yields the subjective conclusions you were expecting.
Don't worry the weather will be the same for everyone, which is more than fair on all the contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by fandango
I care for the Ferrari driver who almost got killed on track last year while driving for Ferrari and not for scumbags who rule Ferrari now based on sponsor nationality.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
If being a tifoso now means kicking a guy who was within an inch of dying while driving a scarlet car then you are a tifoso and I am glad that I am not one.
boohoo :laugh:
So are you trying to imply that he shouldn't bother with giving his best and performing well if he isn't allowed to beat Alonso? Perhaps if he wanted to have a revenge on the team without caring about the consequences, then yes. This is by the way, what Trulli did in Italy in 2004, driving deliberately slowly outside the points all weekend. But he already had a contract with another team and knew that this was his last race for Renault, so he could afford something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
But consistently acting like that would do nothing else than damage career outlooks for good. Perhaps if Felipe feels that he is done with F1, then let him happily trundle around without caring until getting the inevitable boot. But if he wants to have a challenge in F1, he ought to up his game regardless of how tough the circumstances are. Challenges are there to overcome them - and being a No2 driver is one of them. Not to mention that Massa has already done that - there is not much doubt that Ferrari expected Kimi to be a firm #1, so Felipe had to work hard to overcome this general impression he had to face at that moment.
Barrichello stayed in Ferrari for six years trying to believe that once comes a year, when he can outrace Schumacher. Never happened, but I doubt he would have stayed there that long if he didn't have even an ouch of self-belief of actually achieving it. Nonetheless he didn't let motivation factor interfere with his performance, was always his solid self and has been a respectable driver also after Ferrari years.
If Massa was sacked by Ferrari at the moment, I wonder who would hire him at the moment? I think two years ago he was much hotter property, his stock has fallen massively. He needs to up his game and perform even if he wants to join another team to prove his worth. Not to mention that there is simply no point in being consistently miserable and unmotivated even if you don't like the situation.
I for one think that Massa drove very well in quali until q3 where he was .4 slower than q2. I back the guy big-time, but he is slower than Fred who piked up .4 in q3. Massa had a problem with traffic in q3 which explains part of his poor q3 time.
The latest from the BBC's Ian Furgusson:
70% chance of precipitation!! :eek:Quote:
Sunday: CONFIDENCE MODERATE (improving): Mostly cloudy. Rain expected to have arrived overnight, albeit heaviest PPN expected further to the south. Possible that wet weather will have departed before race start, but this remains open to a high degree of uncertainty. Chance of PPN 70%. Max 19C. Breezy. Wind ENE.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/weather/ianfergusson/
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
To win the world title, you need to be able to win in any condition.
If you spin off in the race because its wet, you can't complain if you lose the title.
First of all do watch your language !Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
As for Massa, who asked Ferrari to kick him ? It's you with your recent hatred for Ferrari and Alonso, who expects Massa to run his own race and turn his back to them. But for all the years where Rubens were used by Michael and Ferrari you had no problems with that, you fought against half forum to defend Ferrari's strategy. I guess you've wasted 8 years of your life in here for nothing then...
ioan you are just bitter because the truth is coming out about the cheater. for all those years you thought the Ferrari was the greatest. The Toad, The Brawn and The Cheater. All it was is F1's answer to Wall Street. Get over it Ferrari has now returned to the great Marque they were before your regime. Hopefull FA will win the WDC and confirm this - Viva Ferrari !!!!!!!!
ABA......Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
(Anyone But Alonso.........please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
WT
First of all my language was very civilized. Care point out what exactly bothered you in my previous post?! There is no foul language at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Or maybe you are, again, attacking me because of your personal problems with me?
I don't waste my time in here, I have a life of my own outside of the board, I come here to post about F1 as I see it, not as others want me to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Back in the days of Schumacher, Todt and Brawn did stand up and acknowledged what the team policy was, not like LdM and domenicalli who were not men enough and keep blabbering about equality when in fact they sold Massa out a long time ago.
As far as I remember Massa was allowed to win and finish ahead of MS whenever he was faster back in 2006 even though MS was fighting for the title, this isn't the case anymore.
As I posted on another thread:
Actually I think it was Imola that they made this observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
At any rate your comments are really badly timed. Regardless of which institution is backing Fred financially he has been driving out of his mind lately. His effort is nothing short of herculean.
Not to worry however, it will really take divine intervention for someone other than one of the two pilots driving the best car in the field to win the WDC.
You don't need to be so freakin' antagonistic bro :dozey:
Once again (1 mill times now) if I had a personal problem with you, you would've gone long long time ago. Now last time I checked scumbags was a very rude and offensive word so don't let me catch you calling anyone that again !Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
End of discussion for me.
Can't we all just be friends having a difference of opinion. :) ;) :rolleyes:
I think this thread, which I started was Korean GP. Maybe we can get back on topic, please? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
No problems for me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Sure, no problem Valve. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Looks like it is raining right now on the circuit, Webber must be relieved that the track advantage at the start will even out.