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Originally Posted by wedge
1) political correctness is for fools.
2) What on earth was RACIST about his post?
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:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
1) political correctness is for fools.
2) What on earth was RACIST about his post?
What?! You really do fling them out of the left field :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wedge
First of all, I am not and never will be politically correct - that is for those who feel guilt over something or want to disguise the truth. I like reality.
As for your "racist remark" point at me - it is extremely rude to make such a serious accusation as you have now and then not motivate your attack.
Please do so or I think admitting your were mistaken is in order.
Thank you for speaking up. I do appreciate it :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Why on earth would Webber be an acceptable face of RB for native English speakers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Please answer my post where I asked why you considered his post racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
hans-stuck-red-bull-racing-formula-1-team-should-replace-marko-with-tost
http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...:f1&Itemid=157
Christ AlmightyQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
'Dare I say it' is another expression for 'Devi's Advocate' which suggests that there are others who are more or less retarded than I am.
Because he comes from an Englsih speaking country and declaring - for example - in English that he "enjoys shrimp on the barbie with his Sheilah and a Red Bull" will deliver a better message because its not only what is said but also the nuances from the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
In the same way that Vettel would better delivering a line in an ad for people watching in Innsbruck, Zug or Berlin.
There are differences between cultures and people DO respond better to those who they can identify most closely with.
Do you think that Red Bull has showed favortism to Vettel because he is not Germanic?
In the United States this sort of advertising is plentiful and in fact if it is NOT done then shrieks are heard.
Now you may not like it, but this world IS the way it is.
Was it not Mercedes that has employed German drivers through choice - and two very different Germans at that. Are you now going to accuse them of racism?
Namecalling is not desireable here. You could have made your point without resorting it.
As an Israeli I am used the world calling us many things no matter what we do, so your performance does not bother me unduly.
I know who I am and what I am. I do however think that you went about disagreeing with me the wrong way.
So you do not answer the man's question but turn to insulting him?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Do not pick arguments here or make accusations if you have nothing to back it up. It reflects YOU in an exceptionally bad light in addition to contravening the rules of this message board.
So either put up or - you know the rest.
what would really be better for red bull ?
vettel f1
or
webber f1 and The Mark Webber Pure Tasmania Challenge
http://markwebberchallenge.com/
If anyone actually said that it would be embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Drivers don't need to be from english speaking backgrounds to sell themselves more. Federer and Nadal are both more marketable in Australia than Hewitt is, for example.
It's more to do with personality. Because it's not like Vettel can't speak proper english.
I have heard of Nadal and Federer I have never heard of Hewitt - I have never been interested in tennis - or any other sports for that matter as far as being a fan or supporter is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
So I don't know what these people are like.
Again - I think that Rosberg would be suitable where Vettel is not - both German but Brittney is cosmopolitan and does not have that "formality" as Vettel does.
I was referring to Vettel versus Webber and it was Wedge that raised the issue as some sort of bias.
And companies or brands NEVER assess ads based on anything such as culture, ethnicity or whateever :rolleyes:
Anyway - as far as I am concerned this matter is closed - I stand by my point - and y'all are welcome to your own.
Saionara.
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Originally Posted by Saint Devote
TENNISQuote:
COME ON
So you are now backtracking on your racism accusations of him and admit there was nothing racist about his post, or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
..................anyone? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
I was implying that at worst it could have been interpreted racist and doesn't necessarily mean I fully advocate it hence I specifically used the term "dare I say it"Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I take it you've never played Devil's Advocate before and never pretended to be a lefty?
Please tell you've never found Garry Walker's remarks disrespectful/insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Unless you're politically correct there are worse things in life than to be insulted and accused of being racist.
Previous comments by GW are not relevant or pertinent to this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
You are just fortunate that you were not banned or maybe you are one of those that are allowed to say essentially anything here - of course had you done the same to Lewis Hamilton, you would have been booted from here before you could press the enter button.
RBR needs to get rid of Webber. NOW.
http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...splay.php?f=93Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Do you want your beloved Kimi at RBR, Mercedes or Ferrari? Or you just want every team to get rid of their drivers?! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...#ixzz0tzFQK2WxQuote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
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Webber said: 'There is respect both ways. That's why I will be staying with Red Bull next season. I am part of a sensational team.'
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Webber absolved his team-mate of any blame for the Silverstone shenanigans, saying: 'Seb did nothing wrong all weekend. After the race, he shook my hand.
Of course he shook Webber's hand - whats the alternative in sport?
Has nobody here played a sport when you have to shake the opposition's hand and smile even though you are doing it through clenched teeth?
And the drivers have to find a way because one more problem like this and RBR will CRATER into opposing camps and there will be no way back.
Do not be surprised to see Herr Mateschitz himself in the pits next weekend and not only because the grand prix is close to home.
Dietrich M has one mission in mind this season - the Constructors Championship. And he realizes that Jense and Lewis will not compromise the Mclaren machine because they are a team of equals without "issues" - they understand that there will be days for each of them.
If RBR lose the titles this year, it will be a repeat of the 2007 season when Mclaren had it all for the taking until their team broke apart and Dennis mismanaged the situation because of HIS bias for Hamilton.
So Mark Webber now says he should not have been so public?
Will the real Webber please step forward.
Is he being a master tactician with this apparent softening in his stance seeking the "enemy" to let down their guard? That could all be revealed the next time they start a grand prix.
Or is he doing something that a champion like Schumacher or Senna or Prost would bever have done - compromise.
Perhaps he has had a talk with Mateschitz - in which case he should have not have agreed to have made a statement that effectively undermines his position.
If it is to try and reduce the wariness of the opposition within the RBR team then it is a short-term tactic at best.
Anything else and it raises the question whether Webber has the emotional moxie to actually win this championship. Perhaps Webber is more bravado than he appeared to be.
I just think he was being genuine in admitting he ran off at the mouth. But no doubt Mateschitz has given an order for everyone at RBR to effectively STFU and stop undermining the team/drivers.
I think it is a mistake - what has Vettel done? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Mark has to decide either he wants that championship and is going to destroy Vettel psychologically or he is a patsy.
Webber should have said nothing and not even referred to the eveny when asked. He looks soft now.
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Originally Posted by thunderbolt
RBR needs to get rid of Webber. NOW.Quote:
Mark Webber has warned Red Bull that his rivalry with team-mate and fellow world title contender Sebastian Vettel could explode again at any time.
:cheese:
As I've mentioned already, considering Vettel's mechanical gremlins, his extra DNF, and Mark's extra win, Seb is looking pretty good by only being 7 points down on Webber, Vettel's done nothing? that doesn't say much about Webber either...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Mark has to look at the championship standing and realize that while the Red Bull is clearly the best car on the grid, the drivers are 3 and 4th in the championship and if he really was a team player, he would do everything in his power to move both he, and Vettel ahead of those Mcleran drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I've managed to develop a new theory on the events, I think it would have been logical with only 2 of the new wings that only one of the drivers where gonna qualify/race with it, even before the one on Vettel's car fell off in practice. With the way the Red Bull wings where covered even during friday practice, I think Webber and Flav where prepping us for this very scenario. I think Had Webber gotten the new wing, he would have been made out as the guinea pig, Vettel get the new wing, he got the better wing, and either way showing favoritism towards Vettel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
As for his turn of face, "I shouldn't have made this public" bs... I'll read mission accomplished into that. I'm sure that Mark's gotten all kinds of assurances that there currently isn't favoritism and won't be at the next race unless Webber gets the newer parts, and he's brought it to the public fore, So Red Bull will really have to thread lightly as not to have this controversy spark up again...
But most of all, I think this whole "wing-gate" saga has once again pointed out just how big a hypocrite Mark is... I think he deserves all the sympathy from being treated like a number 2 driver has he showed Pizzonia when he made similar rublings when they where both at Jaguar...
In 2009 Jenson Button was given a good car and made good use of it by effectively dominating the first half of the WDC and winning the title.
He was accused of being "unworthy" and other such nonsense because the "car was so good".
He was also considered by many that ought to have known better to be "past it" and so on.
Vettel on the other hand is proclaimed as the "next Schumi" and given a car that is the class of the field yet he has accomplsihed what at this stage? Two wins and fourth in the title race so far.
His lesser rated teammate has qualified on pole equally and has won three grands prix as well as now being ahead in the WDC.
Despite overt preference in the team, Vettel is no example of great performance.
At this stage the German driver cannot be too proud of himself.
Thats the difference between Jense and Vettel - the former ALWAYS does his best and his supporters have NEVER had reason to not be proud of him. Jense is not the quickest driver in f1 but there is nobody more special.
Vettel supporters cannot say the same at all.
To Jense from his supporters: thanks so much indeed!
I liked the headline Autosport gave their British Grand Prix report on Thursday:
Red Bull Gived You OLD Wings :D
The way I see it, if there was one new wing and they gave that wing to Vettel because he was leading, then that is hardly contentious. But there were two wings, Vettel damaged his, and they took the wing off Webber's car and gave it to Vettel. Now that is just plain stupid. You are not going to develop team harmony by taking bits off one guys car to fit onto the other guy's car.
I see some just fail to understand the logic of what really happened with this team.
Um unless you are implying that it was actually Jenson who snuck into the Red Bull garage after fp3 and swapped the wings himself your "Jenson Button is the greatest living thing in the whole wide universe" doesn't belong in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Once all the sycophantic nonsense has been stripped out of this post, it makes good sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Jenson did a great job for the team and himself last year. He had a nervous end to the season which was probably more in his own head but after having an advantage for the first few races, drove well and brought home the championship. As far as personal opinions about him being not worthy :laugh: I think we can all see he is doing a comparable job against who I think is the best driver in F1 in the McLaren team this year.
With Seb, we are seeing some serious issues. Crashing into his team mate and over aggressive driving has seriously damaged his chances. The RBR car is still ahead of the field as far as performance goes but he is lagging seriously in the standings. At the end of the day, you have to look at results and ultimatly bulls**t takes it's walk.
The "vicious prawn" is just a taste of what's to come PSfan .Quote:
Originally Posted by PSfan
Twill not be as "sauer" for the "kraut" on home soil , as the team serves up a dish of loose nuts for #1 .
Maybe Marky can get those watchdogs that McLaren had for Lulu and Fred to come in and keep that awful Marko from barbequeing without a licence .
Crank the conspiracy a 180 , and we get Seb wondering who that mechanical gremlin was in those first races ,because he would have walked away from this "not bad for a number two driver" talk with fifty or so more points in pocket .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...-2-driver.html
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Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz has broken his silence in the team’s ongoing driver favouritism row to declare that he would rather lose this year’s championship than back one of his charges over the other.
Its way past time that DM waded publicly into this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
The problem is if he denies triggering the situation and Horner declares he had no choice then who are the mystery Austrian bosses that sent the directive?
I reckon DM is talking out of both sides. He has witnessed the diabolical pr that it triggered in front of the MOST knowledgeable crowd in racing and the circuit was chockers.
He declares that he does not mind losing the championships? At least Ron Dennis doesn't spin this nonsense. This looks more like the wholesale bs that is lapped up during elections in the United States.
A team has to have a strong principle leading it at the helm. Just like any army unit. What he says AT THE TRACK is law.
In my view this whole issue returns to the weak commander that RBR has, Horner. He should have made the proper decision and stood up to the Austrians.
Webber , according to one engineer , didn't want the wing until they offered it to Vettel .
http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS
It's been claimed Webber was given old chassis but Horner has put another 'spin' on the front wing debacle by revealing that Webber had a new floor and a lighter chassis.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...-eddie-irvine/
They would have had to make it lighter as Webber weighs more than Vettel. Seriously, this topic has had it's 15 minutes and more. Isn't it time we all moved on, at least until we actually get something new happening that we talk about.
You're not from round here, are you? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ent
Perhaps a non-event , but it shows what opinion at least one of the engineers has of Webber .Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
He had better be quick enough in future to be worth suffering his mouth .