Quesnel has a style.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Quesnel has a style.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Impression I got was that the two Ford teams next year will operate on an equal footing. This rule of the 2nd team running an older model, (08 spec cars etc) wont apply as the 4 DS3's and 4 Fiesta's will be equal spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
My feeling is that if Ogier goes to Ford money will be found from Ford, as most of the current buget comes from Abu Dahbi Tourism and BP, and whatever Mr Joukhi is channeling in there, (probably that is limited to driver salaries through their Finnish personal sponsors)
On listening to Gerard Quinn of late and Malcolm I get the impression that 2011 is a new start for Ford and I beleive they actually now WANT to win, and WILL get a driver who can deliver wins.
It is a risk, but if he stays at Citroen and the DS3 turns out to be rubbish then he may slowly fade into the background, and waste a couple of years of his career, just like e.g. Solberg staying at a rubbish Subaru team and wasting 2 to 3 years where he could have challenged Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Ford may keep both its drivers, but I would imagine the deal Wilson has offered Ogier would be to be the driver for the main manufacturer team, probably alongside Mikko, while JML would have a third car, like Al-Qassami does at the moment, or be in a Stobart car.
What Citroen car turned to be rubbish?
whichever the case citroen has to lose one of its drivers to ford in 2011 be it ogier or sordo as both are tired of bending for king loeb while sordo is dying for a first win ogier feels hes ready to be crowned king otherwise we will soon see a repeat of sainz/mcrae incident where mcrae defied team orders to win the rally and the chamionship tittle.
Citroën BX 4TCQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
When was that? 30 years ago?
Bwahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Perhaps Citroen will make an offer to Matthew Wilson? :rotflmao:
Citroen won't bring out a rubbish car. I think people flatter the C4 and Xsara. They were great cars, but they weren't always the best. But with the money and resources that Citroen have the car won't be rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
and wilslow can win a few rallies in a c4 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Right before mummy wakes him upQuote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
This day... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85079Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
We have a lot of cases here:
- Ogier want to get better paid by Citroen and takes contact with Ford
- Ogier stays at Citroen, gets well paid only if Loeb will retire within one year from now
- Ogier gets paid by Ford and will be driving a new factory-team alongside PG
- Stobart goes on with Henning and Matthew
- If Ogier goes to Ford Loeb will do at least 3-4 years on
- And Sordo have to struggle for his first victory as long Loeb is winning
- Fiesta and DS3 will be equal meaning we will have at least 6-8 drivers capable of winning each round
Everyone talking about Ogier - but what will happen to PG next year? Isn´t he ready for a wheel at Ford as well?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85060Quote:
Originally Posted by amilk
You know what they say, pride comes before a fall.Quote:
"I think Sebastien Ogier likes the colour red, he prefers red to blue - I'm not so anxious," said Quesnel.
ogier will remain at citroen only when citroen will allow him equall status with loeb that is whoever is in a position to win wont slow down for the other to win and not to be treated as a juniour driver while he can fight it out with loeb,i think thats what makes him think of the ford option otherwise i dont see nothhing much.
This is obvious. Ogier won in a junior team. When did Stobart drivers made it to the podium? Really there is more chance to win at Citroen, even with Loeb and if he retires Ogier would be number one, while Mikko & Jari won't retire in a long time. I have every confident they will make a good car for next year.
If I was Citroen I would laugh at Ford attempt, just for laughs Citroen should try to recruit Wilslow.
It's more sensible for Ford to try recruiting Dani.
Okay few exceptions for Stobart, but with Jari, Francois and few for Henning though not regularly. What make people think Citroen is suddenly going to flop with their new cars, especially an engine formula they force the FIA to adhere to.
Gerard Quinn stated in Total Rally yesterday that 'Ogier's management' contacted Ford first.
which means its boiling in the citroen pot might be some serious insue in there we dont know but the truth will soon come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
Who presumably benefit from management fees and a fat signing on fee. I wouldn't read too much into that - it's a classic negotiation tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
"Hi Oliver we have an offer from Ford in writing for X. However Seb likes Citroean so if you offer Y we'll sign."
I would see them being interested in Sordo, imagine all the inside knowledge this guy could bring about the Citroën...Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
Loeb would like Ogier at ford :
Il y a plusieurs façons de voir les choses, résume l'Alsacien. Me concernant, s'il est dans l'équipe l'an prochain et que ça tourne, comme au Portugal, à un bras de fer serré entre nous deux, ça risque d'être compliqué à gérer pour le patron et de créer des tensions entre les pro-Ogier et les pro-Loeb. Alors que s'il va chez Ford, les choses seront claires : nous serons adversaires et chacun défendra une marque. Mais je comprends qu'il ait envie de rester chez Citroën, car c'est un peu grâce à la marque qu'il a pu prouver sa valeur. A l'inverse, si lui et moi on écrase le prochain championnat chez Citroën, Ford risque de quitter la discipline. Et Citroën aussi, du coup ! Et là, Ogier aura tout perdu... Sa décision peut donc être importante pour le futur. Malcom (Wilson, le patron de l'écurie Ford) fait tout pour l'avoir et lui a fait une bonne proposition. Et là-bas, il sera pilote n°1, c'est sûr
Or link :
http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/breve...r-d-ogier.html
Quesnell pulled the classic card:
"I think he knows what Citroen did for him"
And Ogier was the first to contact Ford according to Quesnell.
Beware, Google translation :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by kakus
Cool that he thinks this way.Quote:
There are several ways of seeing things, summarizes the Alsatian. About me, it is in the team next year and it turns, as in Portugal, a tight showdown between two of us, it is more difficult to manage for the boss and create tensions Ogier between pro-and pro-Loeb. So if Ford goes, things are clear: we will defend opponents and each brand. But I understand he wanted to stay at Citroen, because it is partly thanks to the brand he could prove his worth. Conversely, if he and I are crushed at the next championship Citroen, Ford could leave the discipline. Citroen And also, once! And there, Ogier has lost everything ... His decision may therefore be important for the future. Malcolm (Wilson, the Ford team boss) have done everything for him and made a good proposal. And there, it will be No. 1 driver for sure.
i knew where theres smoke there must be a fire.
People say... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85109Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
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Henning Solberg revels in S2000 Ford
By David Evans, Friday, July 9th 2010, 12:45 GMT
Stobart driver Henning Solberg says his early pace on Rally Bulgaria has vindicated his decision to switch to the Ford Fiesta S2000 for the asphalt rounds of the World Rally Championship.
Solberg leads Group N on his debut in the Fiesta, despite only testing for 30 miles ahead of the Borovets-based event. The Norwegian driver ended the opening loop 11th overall and hoping to make the top 10 through the afternoon.
"People say: 'Henning, he can't drive on tarmac,' but I know that's not true," he said.
"Let me tell you, there are not many people around here who could beat me in a go-kart. I know I can drive on asphalt, but I just couldn't do it in that car [the Focus RS WRC]. I don't know why, but I just didn't understand the car; it was something to do with the camber. I don't know, it just didn't work. But this one certainly does. I love it. It's just like driving a go-kart. It's a fantastic tarmac car."
Solberg added that his early running in the Fiesta chassis bodes well for next season.
"I want to be back in the Fiesta World Rally Car next year," he said. "From what I've seen so of this car so far, it will be a great year."
That's nice....but without him sitting in either car for an extensive test it's still a gamble.
this is one of two things
1 Oiger isnt happy with what ever role Citroen are giving him into the furture and has approached ford to get a role within their team the is more suited to his aspriations
or
2 Oiger and his managment are using this situation to carve out a better deal for himself with Citroen.
after all these stunts are pulled by footballers by their agents and themselves just to get new and improved contracts with their clubs
you cant blame oiger he is the ''in thing'' in rallying at the moment so why not try and get best the deal around let it be ford or citroen at least hes showing ambition
Thing is Citroen has many other talents, not necessarily at Citroen but at Peugeot, they can easily put Meeke up to speed in 1 year time.
true and meeke would be ready to hit the ground running i still think to this day he's well ahead of sordo but sordo got the drive because meeke could not come up with £2 million.
but meekes stock has risen since then and budgets would be easier to obtain these days
Better to be a big fish in a small pond for Henning rather than a small fish in a big pond....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
He can be happy that he has drive these days..
There are two ways at looking at it. Why go to a team who have consistently proved they can't get the job done!
However, he may feel he's the man to do it. I really would be amazed if he walked away from Citroen..
Edited for accuracy. Yet another Ford cluster**** today....Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Same here, I think he's not really thinking of going to Ford. There has been talk, then Wilson made an offer. That's all. The offer is probably to drive "a" car without salary or an absolute minimum salary, like with Duval at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Citroën is the way for him.
I agree..
Are we looking at the case of too many stars in one team? To find an analogy, it looks like the Lorenzo-Rossi line-up at Yamaha in Moto GP won't last beyond this season either. I think Citroen has an important decision to make. Is there a possibility that Citroen will force Loeb to retire in order to keep Ogier? I mean they may want to take a look at the future and if Ogier moves to Ford due to Loeb and then the Legend himself retires soon too, Citroen will have failed to build up the team for the future. After all, Yamaha seems to prefer keeping the younger Lorenzo and some even say Ferrari forced Schumacher to retire in 2006. :p : Is Citroen going to opt for the long-term approach?
Ogier is very talented driver but not good enough to force Loeb to retire yet. I think if Ogier wins one or two more rallies this year, it will actually motivate Loeb more because he's got another competition and better yet he's in the same car ;)
if given the same car with the same specs as loeb and no team orders i believe ogier can fight it out with him(loeb) and win,he doesnt look invisible these days and looking at the stage times,he is beatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by koko0703
The job of a 2nd or 3rd driver is to take the maximum points in the title to squeeze out the first drivers rivals/ensure that the team wins the manufacturers championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull