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27th April 2010, 22:24
Big Ben

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Originally Posted by ioan

I think he was just pointing out the McLaren fans hypocrisy, he was obviously way to subtle for you to get the idea. :D

So how many times do you have to call all the McLaren fans hypocrits before being a broken record? Even our friends from Finland gave up mentioning Santander in every post.
29th April 2010, 10:54
Mia 01

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed. Massa was abit silly in the pre season partially blaming Alonso for depriving him of winning the 2008 WDC, but lately he has insisted everything is rosey. It may well be ok between the two, but with Alonso hinting that he has been held up and not shown his true pace, and the latest pitlane move, I'd be surprised if something was not brewing.

They are both highly competitive individuals and have both shown in the past to display emotion before thought. It'll be interesting to watch, but I reckon Massa will tow the corporate line for now and let the fireworks ignite from the other side of the garage. It may well be the case that both have learnt from past experiences and this won't happen however.. :)

Don´t worry, I´m sure Alonso will be at it again very soon.
29th April 2010, 11:17

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed. Massa was abit silly in the pre season partially blaming Alonso for depriving him of winning the 2008 WDC

Another totally false misrepresentation of the facts.

Massa blamed Briatore, Symonds and Piquet.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/54256,...s-championship

No mention of Fernando.
29th April 2010, 11:55
Retro Formula 1

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Another totally false misrepresentation of the facts.

Massa blamed Briatore, Symonds and Piquet.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/54256,...s-championship

No mention of Fernando.

Totally correct. It must be stressed that there is no evidence or suggestion that Alonso or Renault were in any way involved in this disgraceful incident.

There were 3 people involved and F1 would be fine if they never return.
29th April 2010, 12:13
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Another totally false misrepresentation of the facts.

Massa blamed Briatore, Symonds and Piquet.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/54256,...s-championship

No mention of Fernando.

That's correct. Fred was in no way involved. Shoot, he was not even driving that day........ completely innocent......had no clue....he just wants his Mum.
29th April 2010, 12:20

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That's correct. Fred was in no way involved. Shoot, he was not even driving that day........ completely innocent......had no clue....he just wants his Mum.

So it's ok to accuse Fernando based on no evidence, as confirmed by the FIA investigation, but if somebody suggests that Fernando was treated badly at Mclaren you claim it is unfair to do so because you claim there is no evidence?

A bit hypocritical, that.
29th April 2010, 15:28
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't care whether Alonso knew or not, but I do remember Massa suggesting Alonso knew full well what was happening. I am not misinterpreting the facts, and it looks like you are ignoring certain facts to make your arguement stronger.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...gy-Felipe.html

http://www.formula1nexus.com/massa-i...ut-conspiracy/

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/15/m...et-crash-plan/

The link you have provided is dated 2 Oct 2009, before the Alonso comment was made. The comment regarding Alonso was made on 14th Oct 2009. Now who is misinterpreting the facts?! Remember Massa issuing a statement to retract his comments?? The Ferrari PR department had obviously made him aware of the implications of bad mouthing a new teammate.

It's gone quiet Henners, any idea why??????
29th April 2010, 15:29
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So it's ok to accuse Fernando based on no evidence, as confirmed by the FIA investigation, but if somebody suggests that Fernando was treated badly at Mclaren you claim it is unfair to do so because you claim there is no evidence?

A bit hypocritical, that.

Lets just wait and see when, sorry, IF Fred has a tantrum at Ferrari shall we....??
29th April 2010, 17:06
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by pino

And how do you know that ? do you work at Ferrari and can prove it ?

Yes, I am luca di montezemolo :D
29th April 2010, 17:09
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Yes, I am luca di montezemolo :D

Sorry to hear that, do you have regular councelling for this? ;)

Is this only at weekends, or is the dillusion a full time obsession.......
29th April 2010, 17:10
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So it's ok to accuse Fernando based on no evidence, as confirmed by the FIA investigation, but if somebody suggests that Fernando was treated badly at Mclaren you claim it is unfair to do so because you claim there is no evidence?

A bit hypocritical, that.

Hmmm, this'll be the old 'true and trustworthy FIA' will it....???

Nothing a bucket load of dominatrix's couldn't get you.......
29th April 2010, 17:29

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

It's gone quiet Henners, any idea why??????

I took my 7 month baby boy swimming.
29th April 2010, 17:33

'What I've said is the outcome of a hunch I've had and is not based on any concrete evidence,' said Massa

'The FIA World Council announced that there was no indication that Fernando may have been informed of what had happened and I respect this outcome"

Pretty much outlines comprehensively that Massa didn't believe Fernando was involved.

Nice try, but the accusation that you misrepresent facts stands.

It's not like it's the first time either.
29th April 2010, 17:37
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by tamburello

'What I've said is the outcome of a hunch I've had and is not based on any concrete evidence,' said Massa

'The FIA World Council announced that there was no indication that Fernando may have been informed of what had happened and I respect this outcome"

Pretty much outlines comprehensively that Massa didn't believe Fernando was involved.

Nice try, but the accusation that you misrepresent facts stands.

It's not like it's the first time either.

Massa before damage control by Ferrari set in:

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It was the team and Nelson, but Alonso was part of the problem,' Massa is quoted as saying.
'He knew. We cannot know it, (but) of course he knew. Absolute certainty.
29th April 2010, 19:33
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I took my 7 month baby boy swimming.

Henners, are you spelling your forum name with a t now?
29th April 2010, 19:35
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Massa before damage control by Ferrari set in:

Friday - 'just the facts ma'am, just the facts'.

He gets a lot of repressed feelings.
29th April 2010, 19:37
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

That wasn't the discussion we were having. The issue was with Massa accusing Fernando in the past which he did. I couldn't care less whether Alonso knew about the conspiracy, the point I was making was that Massa felt Fernando was responsible. On 14th Oct 2009 he made that claim and then retracted it on the 15th Oct 2009.

YOU claimed Massa had not mentioned Alonso and provided a link which was dated nearly 2 weeks before the accusation. Just because he retracted his claim, does not mean he doesn't still have that opinion. I would have thought the Ferrari PR dept were not overly keen on Felipe making a wild incriminating statement about their new signing and his soon to be teammate.

I have supported my opinion with factual information and have proved that Felipe had publically blamed Alonso for his assumed part in Crashgate, and you have now tried to shift the arguement onto a different area and highlighted the retraction. Why am I not surprised.

Bet you he is out with his boy again for a while........
29th April 2010, 19:55
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by henners88

That wasn't the discussion we were having. The issue was with Massa accusing Fernando in the past which he did. I couldn't care less whether Alonso knew about the conspiracy, the point I was making was that Massa felt Fernando was responsible. On 14th Oct 2009 he made that claim and then retracted it on the 15th Oct 2009.

YOU claimed Massa had not mentioned Alonso and provided a link which was dated nearly 2 weeks before the accusation. Just because he retracted his claim, does not mean he doesn't still have that opinion. I would have thought the Ferrari PR dept were not overly keen on Felipe making a wild incriminating statement about their new signing and his soon to be teammate.

I have supported my opinion with factual information and have proved that Felipe had publically blamed Alonso for his assumed part in Crashgate, and you have now tried to shift the arguement onto a different area and highlighted the retraction. Why am I not surprised.

I know for a fact that last year Ferrari PR put out press releases where they quoted Räikkönen saying things he hadn't actually said so Massa rectracting his earlier opinions etc. is not surprising at all.
30th April 2010, 17:06

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Originally Posted by henners88

That wasn't the discussion we were having. The issue was with Massa accusing Fernando in the past which he did.

Erm, show me where exactly he states that Fernando was "to blame".

Until you can do that, what you have done is misrepresent the facts.
30th April 2010, 17:07

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Bet you he is out with his boy again for a while........

Something you'll never know about, as tissues can't get pregnant.
30th April 2010, 18:40
fandango

Gentlemen, please.
30th April 2010, 19:08
henners88

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Originally Posted by fandango

Gentlemen, please.

Unfortunately thats how an awful lot of threads go on here. People ask for facts, you provide them, and they insult you because you've made them look silly. Oh well.... :)
30th April 2010, 19:44

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Originally Posted by henners88

Unfortunately thats how an awful lot of threads go on here. People ask for facts, you provide them, and they insult you because you've made them look silly. Oh well.... :)

Where the feck are your facts?

You claimed Massa blamedAlonso for his 2008 title defeat.

Provide the factual evidence that he said that.

You cannot, so spare the crepe about facts. You haven't got them.
30th April 2010, 20:06
fandango

I reckon that argument comes down to nationality. Alonso is often seen as the baddie in Britain, likewise Hamilton in Spain, Schumacher in Britain etc, and I imagine Alonso is probably not the most popular driver in Brazil, from his relations with Massa and Piquet.

Here in Catalunya Alonso is seen as kind of cold and arrogant, whereas in the Uk they often mention his "legendary tantrums".

Ferrari have seen it all.....
30th April 2010, 20:30
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Something you'll never know about, as tissues can't get pregnant.

Actually, that was really rather good. Made me chuckle.
30th April 2010, 20:32
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by henners88

Unfortunately thats how an awful lot of threads go on here. People ask for facts, you provide them, and they insult you because you've made them look silly. Oh well.... :)

Still, at least he is consistent!!!!

Can't borrow a Kleenex can I? ;)
30th April 2010, 20:35
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Where the feck are your facts?

I see you are learning to alliterate, mate. Oooohhhhh, that rhymes......

:laugh:
30th April 2010, 20:37
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Erm, show me where exactly he states that Fernando was "to blame".

Until you can do that, what you have done is misrepresent the facts.

I object....

....repetition.
3rd May 2010, 20:35
Mia 01

Fernando isn´t the leading driver in the championchip, I´m sure he feels some pressure now. Noone dear to stand in his way.

Kimi did quit well in his first year.
3rd May 2010, 21:39
donKey jote

Kimi who? :p
4th May 2010, 09:11
Koz

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Kimi who? :p

Kimi the 2007 and 2011 WDC. :D
4th May 2010, 09:34
DexDexter

IMO Alonso is doing quite well at Ferrari but let's remember that he is the most expensive F1 driver of all time and was brought into to the team to dominate. So far he hasn't done that but time will tell...
4th May 2010, 12:14
AndyL

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

Kimi did quit well

Hmmm, Freudian slip? ;)
4th May 2010, 13:28
Mia 01

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Originally Posted by AndyL

Hmmm, Freudian slip? ;)

You got me! ;)
4th May 2010, 19:26
donKey jote

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Originally Posted by Koz

Kimi the 2007 and 2011 WDC. :D

ah... you mean the 2021 WRC :laugh:
4th May 2010, 22:01
Retro Formula 1

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

ah... you mean the 2021 WRC :laugh:

No, that would be Jacques!
7th May 2010, 21:20
Mia 01

Today, it seems as Massa is faster than Alonso.

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