Future Rally Media Coverage

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Originally Posted by tfp

Oh yes, i hope the new camera men are taking note:-)

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Well, that onboard with Mads is absolutely incredible. I am on the edge of my seat!

What really pains me is that it is so easy to do, and NOS have not been doing it for 10 years and destroyed what could have been a great onboard collection from the greatest driver of our time!

If this issue is not fixed with Eurosport coming in, we might never see a great onboard with Loeb. It is so sad.

I have tried before to put pressure on NOS to change it, but it obviously did not work. But we have to start again. I can't take another season with the same ****!

I don't know how much influence Eurosport has/had on the onboard cameras in IRC, but this is a great position:

Tour de Corse 2011 - Thierry Neuville & Nicolas Gilsoul - Onboard Camera - YouTube

Yep, that is very good. But I am really affraid what we will see i Monte. I worst case scenario Eurosport take over the cameras and positions from NOS. That is my nightmare

Eurosport's listings for January 17 to 22 have no mention whatsoever of WRC, while there's plenty on Motors TV's, as it was for the last few years.

So, I'm a bit confused, who's gonna do the WRC this season, if anyone?

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Originally Posted by miksu

And most improtantly, I have eurosport but no MTV3max here in Finland! without this i would have been stuck with late night wrap ups, now hopefully some more footage and reports during normal hours. hah!

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Same for me so it suits me very well if Eurosport is taking over.

There are still some problems having the timing and tracking system to Monte.

Timing system dispute fear for Monte Carlo Rally - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com

Timing issues cast doubt over Monte Carlo | Page 2 | WRC News | Jan 2012 | Crash.Net

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FIA ended NOS´s little games so I guess NOS is now turning the favour by trying to ruin the party for the rest of us. And also, "miraculously", they still have money for lawyers.

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Originally Posted by Miika

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FIA ended NOS´s little games so I guess NOS is now turning the favour by trying to ruin the party for the rest of us. And also, "miraculously", they still have money for lawyers.

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You can thank the administrators over this not NOS.

Aaa my bad. And if the organisers have a backup plan+equipment for the Monte time-keeping then I guess today´s ranting about the NOS/S1T equipment is more about certain people being concerned about their friends than the rally itself.

According to FIA´s Jarmo Mahonen "there is no new promoter in sight and they aren´t actively searching for one at the moment" (because of the basic preparations for Monte). About TV coverage he says they have negotiated with Eurosport but no deals have been signed yet, and that there are other options as well. So no answers concerning Monte´s TV coverage, or for the rest of the season for that matter.
Monte Carlo ajetaan ilman promoottorisopimusta - Ralli - Turun Sanomat

Very interesting. I'm not sure why they felt the need to turn themselves into a not for profit company. The £10,000 offer more the equipment alone seems more than fair.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Very interesting. I'm not sure why they felt the need to turn themselves into a not for profit company. The £10,000 offer more the equipment alone seems more than fair.

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Out of a wish to be seen as nice and cuddly?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Out of a wish to be seen as nice and cuddly?

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I can't imagine that Administrators are swayed by emotional issues too often. Otherwise they wouldn't be Administrators!

10k for enough timing and tracking equipment to cover a whole WRC with many different stages, and no doubt lots of comms and computer gear sounds like a little under-done to me!!

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

I can't imagine that Administrators are swayed by emotional issues too often. Otherwise they wouldn't be Administrators!

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Hence my use of 'be seen to be'.

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

10k for enough timing and tracking equipment to cover a whole WRC with many different stages, and no doubt lots of comms and computer gear sounds like a little under-done to me!!

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But as they point out it's worthless without their expertise and software, they are basically saying to the administrators, take £10,000 or get nothing. The administrators are legally obliged to minimise their losses.

It is a strange situation when NOS owe this company £1million and they are detaining the equipment. Do NOS actually own the equipment and just employ S1T to service it?

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Originally Posted by RS

It is a strange situation when NOS owe this company £1million and they are detaining the equipment. Do NOS actually own the equipment and just employ S1T to service it?

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I think S1T is the rebranded ISC-T, so in essence this company used to be owned by NOS, and this changed at the start of 2011 season. Given this situation, there may be all sorts of complications over ownership of IP that has been left out of the emotive Open Letter from S1T.

And the problem is that the administrators see purely in cash terms, they don't care if they disrupt the running of the Monte Carlo Rally or not.

I wonder if this collapse and subsequent fiasco would have influenced Fords decision had this happened before they announced their decision to stay? Right now what exactly are the teams getting for all their investment? The only two bits of exposure that have stood out lately were the full page adverts by MINI and Škoda.

NOS's side:

North One Television CEO Neil Duncanson says WRC crisis was unavoidable - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com

I wonder how long they have been in trouble though and whether the FIA should have terminated their contract as soon as Antonov was arrested. The article linked to above states North One Television (separate company?) are owed £3m, S1T £1m, alledgedly the FIA haven't seen much of the money they are due for the rights...

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Originally Posted by RS

I wonder how long they have been in trouble though and whether the FIA should have terminated their contract as soon as Antonov was arrested. The article linked to above states North One Television (separate company?) are owed £3m, S1T £1m, alledgedly the FIA haven't seen much of the money they are due for the rights...

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They can only terminate when there's grounds or a breach in a contract. When they terminated must have been when they were able to do so.

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Originally Posted by TMorel

I wonder if this collapse and subsequent fiasco would have influenced Fords decision had this happened before they announced their decision to stay? Right now what exactly are the teams getting for all their investment? The only two bits of exposure that have stood out lately were the full page adverts by MINI and Škoda.

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The full page Skoda ad you refer to was for IRC, and both Mini and Skoda ads would have been funded by themselves.

By Colin Clark it’s Eurosport for the next three years.

https://twitter.com/#!/voiceofrally/...64011010527232

Given that it went through an extensive tender process last time, this seems like quite the cosy little deal.

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Originally Posted by OldF

By Colin Clark it’s Eurosport for the next three years.

https://twitter.com/#!/voiceofrally/...64011010527232

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finally some true professionals behind the cameras and on the mics...

Great news - loved their IRC coverage, lets hope ES can do the same with the WRC :)

Yyyeeesss.

I think we have to say goodbye to Motors TV daily highlights, haven't we?

Motors TV are showing coverage in their schedule

http://www.motorstv.com/sites/defaul...4_20120120.pdf

well, nobody hasn't said, that eurosport shows those highlights, they only do the filming and put the stuff togehter. maybe because taking eurosport in was a last minute call they already had contracts with australian open, snooker and with all other sports that they are showing.

Cant see why ES would agree to do all the work and then not show the WRC itself ??

Why shouldnt they show it as there is already two channels competing for WRC viewers (Motors & ESPN), so why not a 3rd ?

Now it is in Eurosport Schedule.
Wednesday 23:00 Day 1 (30 min)
Friday 00:00 Day 2 (30min)
Friday 23:00 Day 3 (30min)
Sunday 00:00 Day 4 (30min)
Monday 00:00 Day 5 (30min)
All times according to CET

pretty late i should say.

still, mtv3max shows those highlights in normal time, 22.30, that is 21.30 CET.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Cant see why ES would agree to do all the work and then not show the WRC itself ??

Why shouldnt they show it as there is already two channels competing for WRC viewers (Motors & ESPN), so why not a 3rd ?

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ESPN are not showing the WRC this year , they only signed up for one year and were not for signing up this year this was confirmed even before the Antonov issue arose. This is acording to irally this morning.

Great to see WRC back on Eurosport and in HD as well :)

Glad I wont have to watch that rubbish picture and crap commentary on Motors any more !

Not something you could stumble on by accident eh.

It looks like there will be no Monte rally on Nordic Eurosport, F**K!

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Originally Posted by OldF

It looks like there will be no Monte rally on Nordic Eurosport, F**K!

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seems that way :(

what about mtv3max, is it showing?
maybe there are legality issues?

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Originally Posted by carmichael

seems that way :(

what about mtv3max, is it showing?
maybe there are legality issues?

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Yes but I don’t have that pay channel and I think I never going to get it. It’s not worth paying about 20 €/ month just for watching WRC. They are broadcasting the WRC reports on the free channel also but usually very late in the night.

I won´t be buying a dozen useless channels just to see 30 min highlights of WRC with bunch of talking heads. But I´d assume the Eurosport Player should have the WRC content, unless they are blocked from there as well (?).