Will be there some special stages in live on Motors Tv for the sweden rally?
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Will be there some special stages in live on Motors Tv for the sweden rally?
I doubt it
Let's face it, the audience would be about seven people — despite the fact that, in my view, this is by far the most potentially interesting WRC season for some time.
I think you're wrong - I heard it would be 9, but a few dogs as well....... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I do agree that at the moment, it could potentially be an exciting season. It's just that when the first stage in Sweden starts, we'll be following it by internet/Rally Radio - and not one stage will be live, and seems like a famine compared to the Monte feast.
One final thought about the calendar which was raised in last weeks MNews; there will be 9 clashes between F1/WRC - How is that in the WRC's interest? Thanks very much FiA. 99% of the Motorsport journalists will be at F1, the WRC won't get a look in.
Closed the (terrible, horrific) "Richards Age", North One Sport is working on some projects about live stages from 2011 in every rally.
(source Italiaracing.net magazine)
Motorsport News interviewed MotorsTV's head of programming this week and he talks about the direction Motors will take with their new show.
The artcle says Frederic Viger has "innovative ideas" about how to present the rally. The only idea I saw was his complete fetish with onboards. He says "the focus for us will be onboard cameras - so fans can pretend they are driving the cars".
He goes on to say they already have the intro to their first show sorted out. Graphics of the stages, an interview with Seb and then straight into about eight minutes of onboard footage of Loeb. I kid you not that is his plan.
He is directly quoted as saying "On-board is really what people want to see."
The show is for hardcore rally fans but come on! Who is this imaginery mass of people who want on-board footage? I know we have a few real onboard fans on the forum but surely the average fan would like them to use their 45mins to expand on the stories of the day, show the S-WRC etc and not just focus on the leading 4 drivers as has been the case for the past few years.
How about just bog standard shots of the cars going round corners! What ever happened to that? Not cameras mounted in the dirt, not cameras angled against a mirror to see a reflection of a passing car. Don't zoom in on the left rear wheel as the car goes round a corner! Just go back to basics.
With each of these cameras they could have more action shots instead of completely wasting them on some arty bollocks. Is it so difficult to just collect and air raw footage of cars in stages?
I'm going to wait until the first show to make a better judgement but to me Motors are making all the wrong noises. What does anyone else think about the onboards? Was I washing my hair when it got decided they were suddenly the best part of rally coverage?
When on-board is a live, then it is a good thing:-) Otherwise, too much is boring for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
To waste 15-20mins of a 45min show is unforgivable if that's what they think they will do. The remaining time will be enough to churn out the same tired coverage Eurosport were being handed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I agree when live there is always the surprise element with onboards. Us fans will know whether anything has happened. I was so annoyed I fired off a letter to Motorsport news.
Will there be no Dave coverage at all?
I hope thy don't waste time with many onboards.
There will be Dave highlights. Not wasting time with crap "celebs" either... interesting chat about it here: http://bit.ly/cmOitO chopper-cam is back!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I don't mind seeing a bit of onbaord, usually on the high speed stuff it shows how much a driver is trying. The thing is that I watch rallying from outside the car so that's what I want to see on the telly. The worst ones are when they just show the driver, even to a hardcore fan it's prett much just a picture of someone turning a wheel. In truth the movement towards onboard cameras is just an excuse for laziness and cost cutting so that they don't need as many people stood about with cameras. It sucks.
Agree, but combined in a split picture with outside pictures where they are available and inboard is ok, but too much inboard is not good. They can also try out different positions on inboard cameras - to see if they can be innovative also here !Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Also telemetry can be used to a larger extent, and can be developed. Look to F1 and US motorsport.
I wonder what he based this statement on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I think onboards are interesting, although I enjoy them less with the current crop of cars, but rallying is a sport that is made for exterior shots. Having said that, live onboards are great to watch, but please combine it with more than enough outside footage (something I thought was a bit lacking on the Monte coverage at times).
I see no harm in experimenting with different angles, but do so with a point! Yes, mirror shots or things related to that are generally terrible, but including the enviroment with the action is quite interesting in my opinion. After all, it's man vs the elements. Still, basic shots of - car going around the corner while camera follows - should be the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Agree with the above, they are surely doing it just to keep it cheap for them rather than providing a proper service. Whilst I do watch long onboard clips on occasion, I get bored after a while. Especially with the poor quality that we've had when the cameras are shaking, or over exposed, or shows mainly the back of the seats in the C4, not good.
Having said that I probably only watched 5-6 events coverage last year on Dave so I really don't mind just switching off if the coverage isn't doing it for me.
The coverage just doesn't have the wow factor I used to get from it, I remember watching Finland in 2003 and thought that I just HAD to get there the next year. And I did. Nothing's come close since, apart from the Azores coverage last year.
I think they have tried every conceivable angle for onboards. Each one seems to be worst than the next. A shot from behind looking at the rear wing/dust etc. It's a fine idea in theory but after about 5 seconds you get bored. Unless you put the camera behind the drivers or on the front splitter everything else seems a bit numb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I agree with people that onboard is a great live tool - as witnessed with the Meeke off on the Monte - but for a pre-packaged highlights show it just bores me. Maybe if they did away with all their driver-expression cams and footwell cams they might have money to put one more decent camera man out on the stages to capture a bit of proper action.
The worst angle is the one looking back at the driver twiddling the wheel whilst the co-driver reads the notes. I know what that looks like.... I want to know what it looks like to see the road coming towards you at 100 mph!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Thanks for this. Good to hear Neil's thoughts on it all. He is a genuine rally fan at the end of the day. It remains to be seen how much North One will actually improve the coverage. The Heli-Cam running on every round is HUGE for coverage and is essential IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry_Japan
It just seems like for the past few years the ISC hasn't really taken any pride in their coverage. Eurosport upping the ante might hopefully force them into this. And more of a budget is great news if true. It's just a shame MotorsTV don't seem to have a clue.
It's incredible they still keep using this shot. They have got into such a lazy routinized editing process that it goes in no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As for in-stage cameras they could also do other things like instead of using two cameras to cover a stage start they could move one or both of these into the stage to get some action shots. Everything they do should add up to awe-inspiring not yawn-inspiring.
The thing that baffles me is that coverage was better 10 years ago. Remember the old BBC highlights?? They were miles ahead of what North One/ISC have been doing recently. Is Paul King still doing the voice-overs? Not more of the faux Live commentary....Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
As regard the in car cameras, sometimes they have them so low you can't see much out of the windscreen, so there are no use at all.
Looks like someone is forgetting that North One is in fully power since January 1, 2010. Just a month.
What do u want in a couple of days? Let them work... I know from very close ppl to North One Sports that they're already working on live stages for 2011, but most probably the latest rounds of this year's WRC (as "tests").
;) :s mokin:
See that nobody says I'm wrong... thats a good thing. means they're working in the right direction. :D
North One is the new name for ISC - who have been filming the coverage for years - they haven't been doing a good job. Time to pull their collective fingers out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Np, it just says that the FIA and ISC/North One have run the series into the ground so much that people don't care anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
ISC (ok, let's call North One Sport) has been owned by a terrible person, aka Dave Richards. He tried to make rallying as exclusive as F1. He almost destroyed the sport. Now there is a totally different management by North One Television.
Why is that positive? Easy: they have a very different approach.
new videogame, HD television production, new website, talks with manufacturers, new tv deals. All under the new management... what did the Brit? Nothing, it put cr*p into the series, with his friend Gary Connelly... that's what Richards did!
A welcome, a very warm welcome to North One!
Wow they really did a number on you :) The coverage will stay poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Am I the only one not overly bothered by live stages? On a Friday it's pointless because I have a job and on the weekend I'm either watching football or not too happy to drop everything I'm doing. Highlights in the evening work much better IMO and I have a real problem that the live footage usually comes at the cost of a decent highlights package.
I didn't even mind watching Rally GB on BBC iPlayer on the Tuesday after the event, the coverage pissed all over the stuff that we get with Dave and Paul King. Bring back Mark James :D
Im not worried either, we have our own reporters present, and the most interesting events for me, Sweden and Finland has a very good and informative rallyradio.
Well I liked the live Monte stages. I don't care if the drivers perhaps aren't WRC material or if the cars are slower, the sense of speed you got in the dark with GOOD camera placement was excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
Are u Harry Potter to know what will NOS do in 2 years time? :laugh: :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
How long have North One/ISC had the coverage for? If they didn't bother back then they're not going to bother now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
I thought North One had been doing it since it was on Channel 4 in the UK? Certainly there logo was about when it was on ITV.
Yeah, I'm sure you're right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
So now they've decided they're going to ramp up the coverage. Well look at old BBC/BHP productions/filming. That's how to do it.
Hilariously misguided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Definitely not. I'm just informed (it's my job).
Are you North One's press officer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
No, I'm not. Just work in the media.
I "worked" in the WRC media too :) Means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
but it sounds very important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
i'm just watching the IRC Monte Carlo round up (1/2) hour show from Euro Sport HD and unfortunately think the WRC will have an issue keeping up with the quality of the IRC episode. They've done a great job with it and even though they have immensely become better than the last two years it's only going to get better! So wonder what the WRC will bring to our TV sets, and online.... I will next time watch the LIVE stuff on tv or get it off of the interweb.
Good luck WRC!
The WRC TV coverage lisence moved In Greece too...
From the National Greek Network (EΡT) moved to a private Channel (ΣΚΑΙ TV)
and everyone hopes for some more and better tv promotion of the sport...
( At least compared to the previous state of 5 minutes reports, after each day! :mad: )