BREAKING NEWS: FIA to investigate races in which Piquet Jnr "suspiciously did NOT crash"
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BREAKING NEWS: FIA to investigate races in which Piquet Jnr "suspiciously did NOT crash"
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I know just the man for the case!Quote:
Originally Posted by valmacher
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ClarkFan
All 3 of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by valmacher
PML :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by aryan
Seriously though, IF there is any evidence that Piquet was ordered to crash, the punishment will be monumental.
This is not a case of some plans finding their way to a competitor or trying to cover up a mistake but blatent race rigging and endangering peoples lives.
I cannot see Piquet ever getting another Super Licence or Flav continuing in the sport. I just hope that Alonso knew nothing about this, I really do.
That stupid SC rule was bound to be manipulated.
Anyone with brains should have seen the possibility of this alleged situation as soon as the rule was announced.
Agree but manipulating rules and sending in a driver to deliberatly crash are 2 very different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
I just can't believe Flav would be so stupid. I may not like the bloke but he's no fool. Besides, Drivers are not the best people to share a secret with.
I wouldn't say that the move was stupid, au contraire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
It would have been pretty hard to ask a driver to crash without sharing the secret with him! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Why are you writing such unnecessary b*** s***? First - Bernie has made a lot for F1 - and to the second we don't know today what's coming after him..Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Clearly, the signal was based on a negative confirmation. At every previous race, the team had told Piquet, "Don't crash the car." At Singapore, they didn't tell him anything. That set the whole plot in motion....
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ClarkFan
No you don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
How disingenuous!
Along with the rest of the Anglo/Mafia you would love to see Fred take the fall! :dozey: ;)
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I thought that one was bourdaisQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I watched the race again yesterday, and it's notable that both Red Bulls - powered as they are by Renault engines - dived into the pits the second Piquet crashed. Had they not developed unrelated problems later in the race they could have both been on for a good result.
Just saying...
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Felipe Massa suspected Nelson Piquet crashed deliberately at the Singapore Formula One Grand Prix last year and confronted Flavio Briatore about the
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What's the problem :?:
His ? key got stuck perhaps. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I could see FM lending moral support. But ratin' out a Don can get you into a
world of hurt! :uhoh:
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so many questionQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Felipe Massa suspected Nelson Piquet crashed deliberately
what other drivers did
is this the only reason Nelson Piquet got the drive this year
why has it taken so long to come out
what team will pick Nelson Piquet if this is true
can they take the points off alonso
would lasts years championship result been the same
who reported them in to the fia and why
what will happen if it did happen
do they investigate all crashes that a teammate has gone on to win
say a 3 race ban
JAPANESE GRAND PRIX
Felipe Massa 4 points
Lewis Hamilton 0 points
CHINESE GRAND PRIX
Lewis Hamilton 10 points
Felipe Massa 8 points
PREMIO DO BRASIL 2008
Felipe Massa 10 points
Lewis Hamilton 5 points
massa 24 points
lewis 15 points
Felipe Massa would have won by 1 point
Thing is though, you can't say that if the Renaults had been banned, everything else would have gone exactly the same way. In Brazil, in particular, Hamilton (knowing he only needed fifth) went VERY conservative on the strategy, and it nearly cost him dear. If he'd gone in tied with Massa, or even behind him, you can bet he'd have been more aggressive from the start of the weekend. And who can say what would have happened if he'd done that - anything from a glorious win to an ignominious crash could have resulted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/m...n-1780191.htmlQuote:
The Renault Formula One team's problems were compounded yesterday when it emerged that the FIA could investigate more than just the allegations that Nelson Piquet Jnr was instructed to crash his car in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to help team-mate Fernando Alonso to win.
A source within the FIA said: "There were interviews going on all weekend at Spa-Francorchamps, and other issues above and beyond Singapore are also to be looked at." Technical chief Pat Symonds and Alonso were among senior Renault figures interviewed more than once by FIA representatives in Belgium.
Now that sounds fairly serious. What else have Renault been up to exactly? Apparently it's not just the crash that's being investigated:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...d-come-friday/Quote:
Nelson Piquet Jr is believed to have given a statement concerning his version of events to the FIA and its legal representatives some time ago.
Based on that information the three Belgian GP stewards – Sweden’s Lars Osterlind, Greece’s Vassilis Despotopoulos and local representative Yves Bacquelaine – were subsequently called upon to interview key members of the Renault team at Spa last Thursday, accompanied by the FIA’s professional legal support.
The high level of secrecy surrounding the matter apparently meant that the Renault staff concerned, including engineering boss Pat Symonds and Fernando Alonso, had little or no warning about what to expect.
That seems to suggest this whole issue has been brewing for a while. WMSC meeting could be 21st September.
Well well, looks like Flav might be in serious trouble again.
TBH they seemed to get away with all those discs of Mac data without any real problems.....maybe Flav's teflon days are coming to an end!!
You would have to say that something is most definately afoot here. Poor Alonso, he is going to be branded a driver that courts contoversy.
Let us hope that he is not involved in any way shape or form...
Lets get ONE thing straight here when talking fines and precedents. The ONLY reason McLaren were fined £60m or whatever it actually was, is because Max knew they could afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
We also know that Max is impartial, and hates Bondage.
He don't like Flav the Chav, nether!!! :laugh:
When I saw that this was being opened out past the Crashgate issue, McLaren data was the first thing that jumped into my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Let's not forget that had the FIA done any more than a cursory "were you being naughty?" investigation then Renault would have been deeper in the than McLaren. There was considerable evidence that data was incorporated into the car and had they asked to see the Backup tapes rather than live systems, then Renault would have been fooked.
Perhaps Flav should have remembered Max turning a blind eye before doing an et tu Brutus.
Making the mistake that Max is down and out is not a clever move!!
Briatore is a Mad man :p , but i don't think that he asked Piquet to crash!
I hope too that Fernando is out of this crash gate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8239001.stmQuote:
"Representatives of ING Renault F1 have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, 21 September 2009," read a statement on the FIA website.
"The team representatives have been called to answer charges, including a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, that the team conspired with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso."
If found guilty.. well the punishment will be massive. The FIA must've found some evidence of wrongdoing if it's got this far.
Can't agree more with your opinion!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bartlock
I like your thoughts about Flavio... :p
I don't think you'd have to ask Piquet to crash bless him.
They just used his natural talents.... :p
this news today is just nonsense IMO a waste of peoples time and money.
It is nothing more than Mosley's parting shot at Fota and to try and get one more scalp on his way out.It is also a stupid move that could see renault leave the sport to everyone but MM's detriment. It will also surely signal the end of NPjr career in F1 as his actions in this matter true or not true will be seen as a parting shot that caused a terrible consequences and black eye on the sport yet again.
and Finally, shame on the F1A who seem to not understand how stupid this whole thing is and what a pr disaster it is going to be. To me this should be straw that broke the camels back for fota and a let the breakaway series come back into effect, while the lawyers can haggle with the FOM about breach of contract. It is funny how this investigation has only materialized once the new concorde agreement was signed, in a way trying to box in FOTA.
I hope that the FOTA teams leave anyway, form their own series and let this stupid FIA feed on their own dead carcass. They have more than a strong argument for their case, and it will be years until this case settles, in the meanwhile FIa and FOM will cease to exist.
Have you got any genuine evidence to those claims?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Just because you are called to answer a case against you doesn't mean there is a case against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
The FIA needs enough evidence to prove Renault are guilty of something. Renault's representatives have every right to stay silent all the way through and aren't going to incriminate themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/0...ge-this-month/Quote:
The way this works is a bit like the Crown Prosecution service in the UK, which liaises with the police service to assess whether there is enough evidence to prosecute. The FIA has had an enquiry force looking into the Renault case for some time, I understand. This is not something which has been launched in the last few weeks.
To proceed in this way the FIA must feel that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. To get a conviction, the evidence must add up to prove that the competitor has committed, “Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally.” This is quite a wide definition, but the burden of proof is on the FIA’s side, not on Renault to prove that it is innocent.
the whole affair is just ridiculous
And have you got any evidence to disprove them?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
The burden of proof is with the accuser.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Since when has having no real evidence, just a load of assumptions based on his own bias , be treated as anything other than excrement?
Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Nelson Piquet Junior and Knock-on in the same room together?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello