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My suspicion is she has no clue about the business of racing and is just doing whatever IMG tells her to do. They were the one's floating all of the rumors and apparently doing all of the negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
any idea if IMG was behind the viral marketing and her car being 'boosted'?Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbum
http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news-danica-wed
about 1/2 way down...
says she was at stewart-haas shop again monday
Where ever she goes her performance in the last few events sure has not enhanced 'her brand'.
But was she invited, or did she invite herself? TS is not desperate for press or sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
Come on, Danica... do it, do it, DO IT!!! You_Can_Do_Eeeeeeet! :bounce:
If she signs on with any NASCAR team, my username at least through the Daytona 500 will be NASCAR_Jag. And make no mistake about it, race fans, I want to be NASCAR_Jag! :)
:D Jag, your passion for Danica to Nascar has won me over. I'd like this to happen too. I'm sick of hearing about her. Maybe I'd enjoy the Irl more if I Danica wasn't driving. I get tired of endless hype that has no substance to back it up. It would be one thing if she won, then she'd be the Kyle Busch of the IRL. But as a mid packer, she's just a circus attraction. So go on Danica, go for it, go to Nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I'm not sure of NASCAR_Jag, that would take some getting use to. :)
you know, the IRL is even trying to keep her in the IRL, WHY??? I haven't seen all the tracks sellout from "DanicaMania". She hasn't proven that she can race with the best of them, she tries too damn cautious and never gets off the bottom line, even the ex-Champ Cars drivers are doing better on ovals now than Danica and it only took 1 year for them to have that "no fear I'm gonna pass you on the outside" attitude.
Honestly, I can give 2 craps about her, Vs. should spend more time for Sarah instead of Danica, at least her interest is whats best for the IRL instead of swimsuit ads.
but in all honesty, which commercials are funnier, Marco's or Danica's on knowing how to win :laugh:
I think NASCAR_Warrior has a better ring to it. And I agree, it would be great entertainment if SHR happened. It's odd to me that she'd basically go on tv 2 weeks ago and say that short of signing on the dotted line, her contract with AGR was complete. Has she been offered something by a NASCAR team since, or is this more posturing? If SHR hasn't offered anything and she's just playing Mikey for more money, I think that's kind of shameful at this stage, no wonder that team can't get along.
Stewart only rumored the 3rd team when Harvick/Childress attacks started, after that died, he said no 3rd team. I don't see Tony dealing with Danica for more than 1 month
It would be quite funny if she ended up with no ride at all... :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by NickFalzone
Never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by grungex
Ferrari or McLaren would snap her up to run in F1.
Dude, you just made NASCAR_Warrior throw up in his mouth. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Go, Danica... Go!!!
NASCAR_Warrior has a certain ring to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Go, Danica...Get Out Of Open Wheel!
I was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by grungex
I was thinking the same there here too!Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Here's my synopsis:
1. Same tactic as previous contract...pretend to have offers from all the top teams in all the top series to leverage negotiations.
2. Uh oh, I've had 3 years to prove myself in top equipment and I have failed miserably. I have been a primary contributor to a dominate team's regression and now we're barely competitive on even track's I don't have to have any skill on. Who's going to believe me when I tell them I'm really really good!? I'd better go see what Mikey's willing to offer.
3. Dang, Mikey isn't willing to offer as much as I want to be a brand like Nike. But I'm bigger than Nike. I won a race when everyboyd else ran out of fuel. I'm THE DANICA! I know, I'll go visit NASCAR some more...then Mikey will pay up!
4. I can't believe nobody wants to pay me what I think I'm worth. I run as good as Ed Carpenter on road courses and on ovals too where I have better equipment than him. How much is Ed making?
5. I can't live on what Ed makes!
6. Well I know I'll have a ride next year because I'm that good. I'm THE DANICA. If nobody wants to pay me what I actually deserve, then I'll just go do some photo shoots...then people will really see how good of a driver I am!
7. Nobody wants to take pictures of me anymore now that I'm a failure at being a race car driver and a business. Damn! I just an average person with now real skill. Is it too late for my daddy to fake my resume and get me back into rally cars?
Trust me, I know THE DANICA will have a ride somewhere but only because some team will need her sponsor money that bad (i.e. Milka). But I think reality is starting to hit her in the face a little bit. She just doesn't have the results to back up her career as a race car driver. She's a sideshow at the circus and it's been old for me now for over 2 years. I used to want to see her do well but then THE DANICA happened. Too bad the open wheel wars happened or we'd never have heard of her and she'd be working off Industrial Ave. in Vegas.
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
She's won poles. She's been on front rows. She won a race last year. She's fifth in points this year. Don't see any reason for bellyachin'. She ain't Helio and she ain't Milka.
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Originally Posted by indycool
Absolutely...........
WT
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
ClarkFan
For those who might have been shocked by my above statement.......Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I WAS BEING SARCASTIC!!!
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Originally Posted by indycool
I'll go back and research, but to the best of my knowledge, she's never "won" a pole. She's gotten her poles through problems with the ones who did actually get the pole. But I certainly could be wrong. Certainly have been before. She has been on front rows. A couple of them. She's a decent driver, but not a good racer.
No! Really? Whew. ...big ol' grin...Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Gary
Please do that research, beachgirl.
Danica will sign with AGR, it is not her 'best' deal, it is her her ONLY deal.
She was on pole 3 times in 2005. I believe all 3 times quals were rained out and they used to go by practice speeds. At that time, she also had a dominant Honda engine that only AGR and RLR were using if memory serves me correct. Penske and Ganassi were stuck with Toyota and Panther was with Chevy. Honda's Clarke has admitted they were giving the best engines they had to her at that time too. Soooooo....to say she's "won poles" is a largely inaccurate statment.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachgirl
I find it funny too people are starting to use the "she's a decent driver but not a good racer" line. In a top level professional race series, what exactly consitutes a good driver vs a good racer? If a good driver means she doesn't lose control and crash then yes, she's a good driver. But is Indycar about racing or driving? So I make a call for all those trying to be nice to cease! She's not a good racer, period.
Close, but not quite. Danica did earn the pole in qualifying at Kansas in 2005, with RLR drivers 1,2,3 (Danica, Rice, Vitor). In 2005, only RLR and Fernandez had the dominate Panoz / Honda package (AGR had Dallara / Honda) and as Honda's Robert Clarke stated on Windtunnel (to Dave's surprise), they made sure Danica got the best engines. She finished 9th and a quote from her about the race was "Overall, we made the car fastest through the day but it was frustrating when we dropped back a couple of times. The wind was problem from everybody out there today and that caused my car to develop a push." Sound familiar?Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
Qualifying was rained out at Nashville 2005 where she started 2nd and finished 7th. Quote from her "Once again, we started out front but dropped back in the early laps." and "Later, we made a fuel strategy gamble that paid off for us" Again, sound familiar?
She started on Pole at Kentucky 2005 when qualifying was rained out, finished 16th, last of the cars running at the end after she stalled during a pit stop and had transmission issues. Can't find any quotes.
She started on the pole at Chicago 2005 after Briscoe won the pole but was disqualified (as were his Ganassi teammates) for some reason. Her teammate Buddy Rice started second. She finished 6ht right in front of Vitor (her teammate) in 7th after being penalized for jumping the final restart. A quote "it was a typical super-speedway race for us -- at times we'd drop back.."
When others got the same Honda engines and the Dallara became the car to have, she was never as good as in 2005. At the road courses in 2005 where driver skill could overcome superior equipment, she wasn't so hot.
St Pete Qualified 15, finished 12
Watkins Glen Qualified 16, finished 16
Infineon Qualified 16, finished 20
Thanks for catching the research before I had a chance to do it. Appreciate it, guys.
Disagree, it is not her only deal. It is her best, I'm sure Panther would take her in a second car. I wish they would make a play for her, they could use the cash infusion and the second car would be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
And you have evidence of these other deals? Or is it wishful thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamoo
Oh, sorry, no evidence or anything like that. But I'm sure if Danica approached Panther and said, can you run a second car for me in 2010, do you think they'd turn her down?Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbum
I'm not certain, but I believe on those rainouts, they reverted to fastest in practice, thus she got the poles. Couldn't have been on points and I think that was the rule back then.
Disagree to disagree... Panther would not even come close to having the resources that IMG will require to sign the princess. What cash infusion, she costs money not brings it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamoo
Absolutely, if she didn't bring full funding or they couldn't get a sponsor on board to pay her asking price. It has been hinted that some of Panther's issues this year is limited funding caused by Wheldon's salary requirements. Do you really think she would drive for less than him? I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamoo
It really is all about the money these days. No one is going to take on ANY driver without funding to cover the team costs. Drivers don't just decide who they will drive for. The team (or driver) has to have funding and the team has to make an offer. If you look around, there aren't many teams with the bucks to pay any driver what she has been reported to be getting. So her options are limited unless some big bucks sponsor says "I will give you X millions to run Danica and only Danica". So far, there haven't been any reports of anyone making that leap.
Her one pole on a rainout was based on practice speed. Practice speeds can be deceiving if they were obtained with a tow, which is common on the bigger ovals like Kentucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
Oh.
I wish she wouldn't have a seat for any car, that why the IRL can finally get back to racing and the announcer don't have to give us the "Danica" update.
and for the IRL saying she's the face, well the tracks aren't selling out to see her and the ratings aren't skyrocketing because of her.
she only has AGR and thats it, the other owners have to look at her stats and watch her on track to see that she will never win a race outside of a rainout or fuel milage. sure she can get top 10's, but does that mean much when there is only 23 cars on track :mark:
Stewart says she'll be in Nascar, but for how long, I can't see her handling those cars and she'll either leave knowing she cant drive the cars or the owner will dump her for poor results or DNQ'ing.
I listened to NASCAR's radio on Sirius, and Lee Spencer from Fox noted Danica is still hanging out with Tony Stewart, asking about how she should go to NASCAR. Either she isn't confident on things with this AGR contract or she has convinced herself she can jump ship.
I don't like her much, but I do think her best chance for success isn't in NASCAR. What is more, as much as I don't like her, she is needed in the IRL as a name that the people want to see. I blame this on ABC and their hype machine but it helped get non racers to look at the IRL at the time. If she hasn't signed this AGR deal, why? If so, then why is she still talking to Tony Stewart on how to approach moving to stockcars. Apparently she value's Tony's take on things, and she has finally realized she isn't going to get a Cup ride with no experience in stockcars.
About time the Princess realized the world isn't her oyster but at the same time, the racer in her wants the challenge. I think she also knows she is gone about as far with the IRL maybe as her talent would dictate. How she can then justify her limited talent taking her to NASCAR is a leap of logic I wont make, but I don't doubt with her marketability and sponsors, she could buy a ride.....
PS...it is about time serious race fans of the IRL realize we need her marketability and ability to draw in non-race fans as a known name. WE all know her talents are limited, and while she can put the pedal down on ovals when the setup is right, and she isn't a menace to her competitors; she is a competant driver, nothing more. To spend 10 posts arguing about her poles and accomplishments just reinforced the fact she is just ok. That said, she is more valuable to us than she is to NASCAR, and whether she likes it or not, she hasn't a prayer in NASCAR.
Frankly, I am just getting tired of the "Danica watch".
While there are polite suggestions full of politically correct statements from Ganassi and Stewart on how to move into NASCAR, I don't see anyone other than AGR showing an active interest is actually signing her.
She will drive wherever the opportunities take her. Those opportunities won't come from her dreams, but the hard realities of the racing business.