Maybe because they support other teams and drivers and don't want a better driver to give their favorites a run for their money? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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Maybe because they support other teams and drivers and don't want a better driver to give their favorites a run for their money? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You are welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I am not autosport fan (the magazine, not the sport!), but forix is worth it (eventhought i cant remember how much it costs)
Getting 3rd in the WCC is what Ferrari and it's fans are aiming for right now, and rest assured McLaren, Williams and Toyota fans (including pino :p ) would love their favorite teams to beat Ferrari to that spot in the final standings. On the other hand you have those who support a driver rather than a team and they would also like to know that their favorite has one more chance to get on the podium while Badoer does the testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I think you will find that most people dont really give a toss who Ferrari put in the seat. However, as racing fans, we wished Luca well as a courtesy, as we all did when Schumacher said he was returning.
It would be nice if some people recognised this genuine positive response to Luca for what it is and have the grace to accept it at face value.
The last ten words of your post doesn't make any sense...................... ............................to someone. He thinks you're talking about Ballet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Maybe it's time for you to catch some sleep, and I'm sure that tomorrow with fresh energy you will understand those last 10 words too! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I hadn't stated anything on the subject yet, but for the record I'm glad the drive has gone to Luca.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I don't expect him to win, or to be a match for Kimi (well, I fecking hope not or that would just be the icing on the cake of the piss take!), but he is a Ferrari man so deserves it.
:laugh: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
But, what if he was as fast.....
Just joking ;)
So say we all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Hey!! got a nibble!! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ioan, do you seriously think he'll struggle to score ANY points, for the ENTIRE duration of the rest of the season?
This guy isn't Giovanni Lavaggi or Alex Yoong circa 2001. Or Yuji ide.
Oh, everyone else who speaks coherently and in a non-insulting manner, do we have any predictions on qulifying and race positions for Badoer in Valencia?
Quali: 11th
Race: 7th
Renault have Grosjean, Williams have Hulkenberg, Ferrari have nobody.
This is the same team led by a motor mouth who likes to point fingers at others yet his team is currently mismanaged and has to depend on an old champion or clunkers called "test drivers" that cannot be considered able race drivers.
F1 is supposed to be about placing the best in cars and after everything this is what is done by Ferrari?! This is the best they can do.
How pathetic.
He will be around 500ths of a second per lap slower than Raikonnen. Will not get out of Q2 - probably make it out of q3 because can he really be THAT awful?Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
The race will see him driving around and by the end totally exhausted finishing somewhere in the double digits.
Predictions for Luca you say woody2goody:
Qualifying - 19th
Race - 9th
He will push too hard in Quali and have an off in Q1, but will have a good race, get to grips with the car and move up to 9th place by the end.
He'll be aprox 0.5 secs behind Kimi, and based on Alonso/Piquet another combo with 5 tenths between them, Luca will place 13th in quali go for a very long one stopper and being a metronomic test driver will climb to P7 for the finish.
Bosh
I'm not going to be as hard on Luca as some, but there is certainly some truth in what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Leaving Schumacher out of this, I struggle to think of anyone who might conceivably be substantially better, who is available contractually, race-ready and would be willing to take the seat at such short notice knowing that doing so would probably leave them on a hiding to nothing. After all, no driver is likely to shock the world with their pace in the car, and that could be damaging to an up-and-coming career. Just as Salo was in 1999, Badoer seems like an utterly unexciting but also utterly risk-free choice. If he doesn't do well, so what? If he does, it's a pleasant bonus.
Sato, Bourdais, Piquet Jr., just pick one of them and you are guaranteed to pick a better racer than Badoer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Understand what you mean. Let's see. Must say I would never have cited Piquet, nor Sato, and hadn't really thought about Bourdais.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Piquet showed good race craft with good moves this season. What he lacks is the confidence in the car in order to push it 100% for a good qualifying lap and IMO Renault didn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Bourdais didn't set the world on fire either but I think he's better than Badoer.
Sato, he did great in the Super Aguri F1, he showed that he has good speed and race craft when he get's his head down and works seriously.
Anyway, Badoer will get a race in the F60 as reward for his almost 10 years as a a devoted test driver. We'll see how he goes.
Yes, you may have a point, ioan.
Heh. :) Well, the more I think about it, the more the thought of Luca making one farewell return to F1 sounds interesting. But still it would have made far more sense to give Gene a chance at Valencia and Badoer at Monza, not the other way around, which Ferrari might do.Quote:
Originally Posted by race_director
And in terms of questioning Badoer's "ability", then when realistically assessing his chances, it's going to be rather difficult for him to get through to Q2. The competition nowadays is so tight that even losing by 3-4 tenths to Kimi he could qualify almost ten positions backwards.
The main argument for giving Badoer his last F1 chance is indeed about 'rewarding' him for his hard work, and certainly not his performance or ability as a racing driver. So it's quite logical that there is scepticism about his performance level at a Formula One Grand Prix.
I subscribe to the view that Badoer was give the drive as sort of a consolation prize. He was never a top driver but he put in the hours testing and it was an emotional choice to give him some races. If there was more at stake they probably would have gone with someone else maybe Bourdais or Piquet as at least they have experience with current cars and have shown some speed at times. All in all, it will be interesting to see how Luca does.
Badoer has been well paid and drives f1 Ferraris, so "devoted employee" is not exactly appropriate. What else would he have done?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Never.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Sato has been out of a racing car for a light year and to consider him would have made Ferrari look even more incompetent than they have this year.
The other two did not make good use of their drives and never stopped complaining - Bourdais was constantly whining and of course now we know that Piquet is an hysterical little girl.
Point is they they do not deserve to be in a Ferrari, regardless.
And would you concur that in the wake of Massa's accident it ought to spur Ferrari towards deciding who is going to be their new crew - both race and test drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I think Massa's accident was career ending and this also has something to do with Montezemolo's third car wish.
Unless the Ferrari culture has changed, which I doubt, I would not at all be surprised to find the scuderia sign Kubica and Alonso.
And THAT, may well be a nitro team mix - although I remember how everyone thought that the Scheckter-Villeneuve mix would shatter Ferrari - but what an incredible team it would be. Given a good car they would win for Ferrari.
Not one of my favorites when he was racing for Honda, as most people here know. He was, nevertheless quite good in his first year in F1. Although he was fast, he was also prone to accidents. Then came his second year T Honda which was a disaster. Pitted against a smooth bunsen, around whom the car was set up, Sato started to come up with moves in races which he never even tried in quals, practice or even in testing.
But when Super Aguri was created, Sato had a good mate in ant for team mate, and the two put in some good performances in both quals and some races, until Honda realised these two guys, in outdated cars were making the factory Hondas look silly. So Honda hobbled Super Aguri by denying them upgraded parts and when that didn't work, they pulled the plug.
So for anyone to say that Sato has been out of racing for a light year or alluded to the fact that he would make Ferrari look incompetent is simply posting delusional crap here to try to pat himself on his back to make himself look knowledgeable and important in this forum.
So, for once, I have to agree with ioan. :( At least ioan backs himself with facts, not stuff like a cross between a bulldog and shytesu.
Badoer has been given the drive because he has been a loyal Ferrari test driver for years, and I suspect that without any prior testing of this car, nobody else available would have done anything spectacular like getting on the podium anyway. And if, by chance, he did well, there would indeed be a feel good ending to the story.
I think it's great Luca got the drive, he deserves it. Perhaps Schumacher will continue to train, work the neck muscles and take the seat from him for Belgium.
Anyway, Valencia prediction for Badoer: Qual 15th, Race 11th.
Perhaps if Badoer can finish 10th or better, Ferrari will keep his seat safe until Massa declared fit to race again.
will he get to drive ?
http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/...d-free-alonso/
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Bernie Eccelestone, CEO of Formula One, is very sensitive to the whole thing, and he has suggested that Renault should release Alonso in order to take Massa's place on the grid.
"If Renault would release Alonso, and if Ferrari want him, it would be the best thing for Formula One, for Valencia, for everybody," Ecclestone said.
I did find that to be a curious statement coming from F1's equivalent of David Stern or Roger Goodell. When you suggest that one team essentially "borrowing" or even stealing a driver from another team, especially a two-time world champion, is "best thing for Formula One....for everybody," you are opening up a real can of worms, considering that Alonso has, by all accounts, been courted heavily by the Ferrari team to jump over.
Been out for a light yera, constantly whining, hysterical little girl? So nothing objective to say from you, eh?! And I was thinking we are supposed to asses racing skils. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
PS: Sato did drive F1 cars in winter testing. ;)
What this situation shows, and what I think Devote is getting at, is that the Ferrari structure with regard to available drivers leads a lot to be desired.
A pensioner with a cricked neck and a driver who hasn't raced for a decade isn't the greatest bit of driver development programming.
And what I suppose you are leading to is that there are no future WDC's out of a job right now looking for a ride!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
The corollary to this theory is that if there was such a driver, he would have been signed up by one of the teams before the start of this year. I guess I am a Sudoku addict, which leads me to think in logical terms.
Except Fernando (for just one race), and, of course, greedy Bernie would like to line his pockets by hoping Renault would release him for the Valencia drive.
Not quite what i meant. The "future WDC" didn't need to be out of a drive this year....he needed to be signed up to a development driver scheme a la Vettel, a la Hulkenburg, a la Kubica all were or are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Ferrari traditionally just cherry pick talent....which is ok if you don't mind paying top dollar and don't mind when circumstances mean your choice of back-up is severely limited.
Massa was more a Todt protege than a Ferrari one so doesn't really count as a true driver development scheme product, but his rise alone should have shown Ferrari management the value of taking aother young hotshoe under their wing.
True. But surely the fact that he was overlooked by smaller teams would mean that he certainly wouldn't be good enough to drive for a front runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I also agree with Tamb's point that Ferrari is perhaps one of the only teams who don't have a a young up and coming tester/reserve. I do recall a youngster testing for ferrari perhaps 12 months ago (I think he was an F3 guy) but I can't recall more details off the top of my head. Anyone know who he was?
A bit of googling suggests the guy was Mirko Bortolotti. But a prize for success in italian F3 is hardly a proper development program.
Not sure I understand what one of the only teams exactly means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Well I thought to myself; who doesn't have a decent youngster in the test role or in the works in a lower formula? Answer = Ferrari & Force India (IMO) hence my statement that they are one of the only (as opposed to the only).
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71438
"Ferrari to set up young driver scheme
By Charles Bradley and Steven English Thursday, October 16th 2008, 11:28 GMT
Ferrari are in the process of setting up a young driver development programme to find and bring on talent for the future.
Rival manufacturers including Mercedes, Renault, Toyota and Honda have long brought drivers through the junior ranks on similar schemes, and of the drivers currently on the fringes of Formula One, GP2 race winners Lucas di Grassi, Romain Grosjean, Kamui Kobayashi and Luca Filippi are all contracted to F1 manufacturers already.
Ferrari F1 team boss Stefano Domenicali has revealed that they now want to introduce a similar scheme.
"Our plan is to have a young driver programme connected to F1 in the future," he told Italian magazine SportAutoMoto.
"In these times of cost-cutting, it's not easy to start a new programme, but we need good drivers for the future. Nothing is defined yet, but you will know details soon."
That was in October 08, and I don't recall seeing any details since then, so it would appear that it didn't happen.
Perhaps they are selecting prospective drivers this year and will start to support them next year.
Force India have a young driver in the current lineup and I think VM is looking to bring young Indian drivers to F1. Not exactly a young driver program but better than nothing.