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I couldn't agree with you more, except the last part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
By saying that the KKK recruits from the right does not imply that I think they are the only racists in the world.
Or that Conservatives are by nature bigots. Please do not put words into my mouth.
I am aware that there are failings in the entire spectrum of political affiliations.
I never said there weren’t!
You said Racists were OVERWHELMINGLY from the right. Go back and tell me how I am supposed to just glide on by that. I don't calling every liberal a commie or a racist, but there are people on the left that are communist and/or racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
My point is racism is apolitical, period.
Give the poor sod a chance to reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Well see, we europeans would come to Canada and take all the high paid jobs and then the south east asians would come and take the low paid jobs leaving the Canadians with nothing :rotflmao:
Completly different Eki and you know it. I'm talking about the population that come to the UK just cos its the "promised land" and yet don't want to learn the language/ cultural side (amongst other things) of being in a different countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The odd wordage difference of people in UK and USA is not the same at all and in fact turns into more of a talking point as people to get to find out about each other
Its amazing at just how quick some of you come out with the "R" word at the slightest opportunity :laugh:
And I'm sure that poor Polish girl now knows what Ayrshire bacon is (I still don't know how it's different from ordinary bacon).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
No way ever (clear enough for you)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Its so nice to see that you can be labeled with the "r" word for the slightest thing nowadays.. you know what, you all that are doing the finger pointing could be described as such too considering how freely you throw that term around when you have no clue who i am, what i'm about or anything at all.. :laugh:
You are absolutely right about that. Does the BNP have anything against Australians, New Zealanders or South Africans coming to the UK? Has anyone ever smashed the windows of a Walkabout, like they have Polish shops?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Oh, and again I have to say what I always say — that the notion that 'you can't say anything any more' is utter bunkum of the first order. You can generally say what you like, but don't be surprised if changing attitudes, a perfectly natural phenomenon, mean that more people won't disagree vehemently with what you say than once might have been the case.
ummmm that isn't going to happen....we aint THAT dumb. We are plenty dumb at times tho...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Its nice to see how your twisting round my original post to suit your agenda Drew. Feel free to carry on twisting if thats what suits youQuote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Oh and MIO, the silence was not deafening or whatever you put as i was actually out at a business meeting in Atlanta (where i still am too) if its any business of yours
To be fair the BNP have always been clear about this, that they are not at all opposed to migration to/from particular 'Anglo-Saxon' countries. I would have thought the countries you mentioned would be on that list. Its migration from non-approved countries, ie non-white ones, that they oppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
They've also made it clear that they want to cut trade links to non-white countries which I found amusing, I'd like to see how they do without Japanese and South Korean investment and without loans from or selling bonds to wealthy Arabs....
The trouble with the UK is that it's so bloody old. Where, what and how do you define it's culture? It's not as though there are any old traditions that are passed down from generation to generation. There are probably forum members living in houses that are older than historic and important buildings in the US or Australia.
Then we could move on to modern culture. For example, do immigrants really want to get involved with the binge drinking culture which is quite apparent every Friday or Saturday night in a town near you? I'd hope not.
You can argue that maybe first generation immigrants don't get as culturally involved as you would hope but that can't be said in the majority of cases about their second generation off spring. My mother is English and my father is an immigrant. I'm proud of my heritage on both sides but to me I'm just English or British depending on the sporting occassion. The rest of the time I don't give it a second thought. Maybe it just me but at times I'm somewhat
suprised when I hear friends that are second or third generation immigrants speaking their native language. I just kind of forget that someone might be fluent in a different language just because I hear them speak in their thick Brummie accents everyday.
I don't know where in Scotland Ayreshire is either.
I see no twisting in Drew's post. It's an entirely reasonable point. Where does the difference lie between Poles coming to the UK and you going to the USA? I would suggest there is very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
Does the policy take in Aboriginal Australians, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Given that this is a party that opposes immigration from Poland and then uses a photo of a Spitfire bearing the markings of one of the Polish-manned RAF squadrons from WW2 on its literature, it is abundantly clear that we are not talking about the sharpest knives in the kitchen here.
They are probably pinning their hopes on the Isle of Man and Jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Want to hear a joke Ben?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
What's the difference between a 747 and an ex-pat Brit?
The 747 stops whining when it gets to its destination :D
Ba dum tish!
Then i'd have to say your wrong (omg shock horror) :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I posted an entirely reasonable post too :up:
The silence wasn't deafing when you didn't post, but it sure as hell is now after you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
No, I don't want to hear a joke. Oh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
And what is your detailed riposte to the allegation of hypocrisy regarding your position on this issue? I can't seem to find one, perhaps not surprisingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
Fred isn't into that Irony thing....
Funny, I suspect some of his American arms have greeted him with open arms while the likes of Fred didn't greet immigrants to the UK with the same joy.
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
Your arrogance is one thing that we can always count on :laugh:
Feel free to carry on as you are and slate me for being honest with my views cos i don't really give a damn to be truthful and right this minute i have more important things to be doing in my life :up:
Fred...it isn't that you are not honest, we are just floored with your lack of awareness of how dumb you sound...
From my experience its quite typical of some Brit ex-pats in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I once met a British Indian couple who claimed to have moved to America to escape from racism before launching into a tirade about how their town was being ruined by dirty Mexicans who couldn't even speak English. Irony wasn't their strong point.
I cannot think of a single occasion on which you have done anything other than offer an opinion in a discussion and then, when you've been criticised for it, had a go at those criticising you without offering the slightest bit of detail or rebuttal of that criticism. Then you bugger off citing your busy life, as though the rest of us who continue having our debates are somehow workshy layabouts by comparison. Why bother posting on what is, after all, a discussion forum, if you're not willing to enter into a discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
In what respect do i sound dumb? Please enlighten me
I don't have the time to do so and anyway, show me the forum rule that says i need to do as you suggest aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
If you want your contributions to be thought of as constantly pointless and ill-founded rather than occasionally thought-provoking and insightful, then by all means plough right ahead with your current approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Basset
But i have one thing in my favour that you don't have.. i don't try to belittle people and make them feel worthless like you try to do with your arrogant remarks all the time to me. I'm very happy thank you and enjoying lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Feel free to keep on attacking me as much as you like Dunnell..i'm just glad i'm not you
It doesn't seem to just be me holding this view, but never mind. I refer you to Mark in Oshawa's post. If you don't want people to criticise your opinions, either don't post them or try and back them up. That's all I have to say on the matter, not that it will ever get through.
Unless he's heavily into country or folk that guy is retarded. Music today owes a huge debt to Afro-Caribbeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
Perhaps you could produce a quote where I stated that. All I can find that is remotely close to that is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
The Church of Jesus Christ Christian is.
That is the name the KKK uses thes days, or at last check were!
I may have said That KKK were Overwhelmingly from the right, which they are!
Sorrrry! :)
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The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy. Of all the types of right-wing hate groups that exist in the United States, the Klan remains the one with the greatest number of national and local organizations around the country.
More than 40 different Klan groups exist, many having multiple chapters, or “klaverns,” including a few that boast a presence in a large number of states. There are over a hundred different Klan chapters around the country, with a combined strength of members and associates that may total around 5,000.
After a period of relative quiet, Ku Klux Klan activity has spiked noticeably upwards in 2006, as Klan groups have attempted to exploit fears in America over gay marriage, perceived “assaults” on Christianity, crime and especially immigration.
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/...ked=4&item=kkk
The Rise of the Ku Klux Klan
Right-Wing Movements and National Politics
Rory McVeigh
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Rediscovering the Ku Klux Klan as a national movement in the 1920s
In 1915, forty years after the original Ku Klux Klan disbanded, a former farmer, circuit preacher, and university lecturer named Colonel William Joseph Simmons revived the secret society. By the early 1920s the KKK had been transformed into a national movement with millions of dues-paying members and chapters in all of the nation’s forty-eight states. And unlike the Reconstruction-era society, the Klan in the 1920s exerted its influence far beyond the South.
In The Rise of the Ku Klux Klan, Rory McVeigh provides a revealing analysis of the broad social agenda of 1920s-era KKK, showing that although the organization continued to promote white supremacy, it also addressed a surprisingly wide range of social and economic issues, targeting immigrants and, particularly, Catholics, as well as African Americans, as dangers to American society. In sharp contrast to earlier studies of the KKK, which focus on the local or regional level, McVeigh treats the Klan as it saw itself—as a national organization concerned with national issues. Drawing on extensive research into the Klan’s national publication, the Imperial Night-Hawk, he traces the ways in which Klan leaders interpreted national issues and how they attempted—and finally failed—to influence national politics.
More broadly, in detailing the Klan’s expansion in the early 1920s and its collapse by the end of the decade, McVeigh ultimately sheds light on the dynamics that fuel contemporary right-wing social movements that similarly blur the line between race, religion, and values.
Rory McVeigh is associate professor of sociology at the University of Notre Dame
http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/M/mcveigh_rise.html
THE Ku Klux Klan, the white supremacist movement known for racial murders and cross-burning in the American deep South, has set up a network of activists in Britain.
Following the revelation last week that MI5 officers had arrested British soldiers suspected of having links with the neo-Nazi Combat 18 group, it has also emerged that the police are concerned about the activities of the Klan, known by the initials "KKK".
The right-wing extremist group has established cells in Scotland, Wales, the English Midlands and east London in the past four years, and has been linked to a number of attacks on Jewish, black and Asian people.
Scotland Yard has confirmed that the group's activities are being monitored.
It is believed that the Klan aims to capitalise on the growth of Scottish and Welsh nationalism - areas it sees as truly white, Celtic and "untainted" with Jewish, black or Asian blood.
Klan membership has grown in strength in Britain since Allan Beshella, a former leader of the movement in the US, moved to south Wales in the late '80s.
American Klan leaders, known as wizards, helped form the British Knights of Ku Klux Klan. Beshella, who has convictions for child abuse and possession of guns, now claims to have recruited 2,800 members in Britain. Locals in the small former coalmining village of Caerau, Mid Glamorgan, have complained of several incidents there since the KKK was set up.
A branch of the Klan in South Wales was observed holding a candlelit procession just before Christmas, although members did not wear their traditional white robes and pointed hoods.
One local man, who has been monitoring KKK activities, said: "The Klan has established a conspiracy of fear here. They are intimidating locals into silence and recruiting youngsters from the dole into a life of violence and racial hatred."
The Klan's interest in Britain's Celtic fringe comes as no surprise, given its roots. Established in the defeated South after the American Civil War, the KKK took its name from the clans of Scotland and uses a highly selective view of Scottish history to support its philosophy.
It is believed that the movement started in the 1860s as a club for Confederate cavalry officers of Scots descent, before evolving into a secret society to inspire terror among freed slaves.
Some Klan rituals are based on those of the secretive Society of the Horseman's Word, once active in north-east Scotland.
In more recent days, the film Braveheart - in which William Wallace, played by Mel Gibson, defeats the English - has become cult viewing among Klansmen.
This has helped the KKK gain a foothold among some Scottish extreme nationalists. Last week Ian Christie, a self-styled Scottish knight of the Ku Klux Klan, was jailed for three months after threatening the Lord Provost of Dundee.
He had sent sinister threats to the civic head after the city council decided to rename a library in honour of President Nelson Mandela.
Referring to Mandela as a "cannibal", the letter claimed the Provost's "doom was sealed".
In England, the KKK has been expanding into areas with a high ethnic minority presence.
A cell was established in Walsall, in the English West Midlands, in January to intimidate the local Asian population.
A burning cross was discovered on a hill near the town and stickers supporting the group were plastered throughout the town centre.
In Rotherhithe, London, groups calling themselves KKK have demanded "lynchings".
Nick Lowles, co-editor of Searchlight magazine, which monitors extremist groups, said the Klan tended to attract some of the more extreme members of the right-wing British National Party.
"Many of the members we have identified are so dangerous that they have been kicked out of the British National Party - itself an organisation that attracts thugs," he said.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/kkk/kkk1.html
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Ku Klux Klan
The Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable | 2006 | ELIZABETH KNOWLES | © The Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable 2006, originally published by Oxford University Press 2006. (Hide copyright information) Copyright
Ku Klux Klan an extremist right-wing secret society in the US. The Ku Klux Klan was originally founded in the southern states after the Civil War to oppose social change and black emancipation by violence and terrorism. Although disbanded twice, it re-emerged in the 1950s and 1960s and continues at a local level. Members disguise themselves in white robes and hoods, and often use a burning cross as a symbol of their organization
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Ku_Klux_Klan.aspx
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Originally Posted by Tazio
Read what you wrote. IN TODAY's WORLD they are overwhelmingly Right wing....I took that as racists in general and you never did claify it until you dug up five miles of interesting facts about the Klan, who yes...are Right wing but in what I read there, you were calling us all racists. I have heard many a liberal call out a right of center politician as a racist if they didn't like an idea....
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Well in the heat of the moment I could see how you could be mistaken,Quote:
Originally Posted by T-z-o
as I am obviously referring to the Klan in that post. As for your experience with "many a liberal"
I can't take the blame for those I do not know, or profess to have that kind of inner knowledge of you!
Regaurdless of someone's political persuasion, I always judge character on a personal level
Peace My Man :up:
Just like our friends across the pond go on about the Mexicans...Do they have a problem too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
When i went down to Bournemouth to visit my brother i went round the corner and the high street was turned into a Polish town centre..I was like hang on where am i again.
Steve...you have a problem with the Polish in Bournemouth. Heck, Canada has been swamped with higher rates of immigration than any other western nation, and most of it is from Asia and settling in the Greater Toronto Area. Chinese, Tamil, Indian, Sikh. Not to mention a few Russians here and there. I have no issue with it in time as long as they adapt and speak some form of English within a generation or two, but it is a little disquieting to be in Toronto and see a whole block of signs in Chinese or in an Indian script. It is however part of living in a multicultrural mosaic. You don't like it, it is your issue....not mine or those who live in these enclaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_spackman
Did i say i have a issue with it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
ok..maybe you didn't....
what does pee my off though is the fact that they come over to our shores, yet cant be bothered to speak English and expect us to cater for them...No chance mate!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa