Or, perhaps we will read in the papers that they are still looking for the back of Bernie's head.......Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Or, perhaps we will read in the papers that they are still looking for the back of Bernie's head.......Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I hope you are right. I just can't see a FOTA series working. They think the teams is all they need?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
They've got the teams and drivers. But they haven't got a TV deal, certainly in the UK they won't get one with the BBC, and very unlikely with ITV too. They'll be stuck on a digital channel somewhere.
They haven't got contracts with the circuits, sure, there are other F1 standard tracks out there, but not *that* many, and certainly not enough for a full race series on alternative tracks, as I'm sure the FIA will enforce their contracts with F1.
I'm hoping this will be like the premiership in the UK. Where basically all the top teams declared that they wanted no more to do with the FA and set up their own championship. Only for the FA to back down and sanction the new league.
It was ALWAYS either MAX or BERNIE that were ruling by divide. WIth them gone, I am sure it will be fierce rivalry on the track, very civilised off it....Quote:
Originally Posted by yodasarmpit
That's incredible!!!!! can you give me this weeks lottery numbers please, hey if I win more than £30 Mill maybe I'll start my own team :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
actually FOTA has announced that the series is Free to AIR, i am jumping now. i see a future where i can see the new series live in atleast 3-4 channels at the same time where i live . in short i would not miss the action even during the commercial break, i can switch channels and watch live action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
And you'll have a great chance of winning the 2010 WCC in F3+! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonbender
[quote="Mark"] as I'm sure the FIA will enforce their contracts with F1.
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Not sure these will be enforceable - surely the contracts will have clauses defining what the FIA are supposed to bring to the circuit? Without the big teams, it's not the show the circuits signed up for.
Similarly the money to pay the FIA fees is not going to be there because the spectator income will be way down.
Lots of legal mess to look forward to .. that or a climbdown by the FIA.
Either FIA and FOTA should put all the problem on one table with enough faith and trust and should not relegate respect against role of any of them to enhance more fruitful agreement reached covering all of their interest on the continuity of the sport.
I think FIA will extend more grace period for the date of filling, a period of time past the deadline for fulfilling an obligation, range from a number of minutes to a number of days or longer, during which the best compromise is mutually being discussed to produce decision benefiting all parties FIA, FOTA, and teams.
Funny that there's no mention of this on the "Official Website," formulaone.com! Maybe it hasn't sunk in yet?
ultimately i want to see one F1 with the best drivers and teams, without Max and preferabley without the imballanced commercial terms for terms, the only differences there should be prize money (which should be substantial)
if this acheives that goal then i'm happy, i'd be intrigued to see how this turns out.
i think FOTA could get this off the ground, i can't belive that they've only just started to work on this, they must have statements of intention with circuits, sponsors, suppliers etc to be able to retain this as a credible threat.
circuits should not be a problem, there are plenty of circuits up to standard not on the current F1 roster, and some of the newbies will not want to be ploughing all the money into new tracks to be left with teh FIA's no-mark championship.
i fully expect, if the breakaway comes to fruition, that a couple of the new teams not currently on the F1 list wil jump too - prodrive, Lola seem obvious, but also why not the Superfund, Lotus and others.
F1 (FIA) will be left with no major drivers (see ya Nico), no engines other than cosworth (have they the capacity to provide 10+teams) and probably not even a full grid.
all the power seems to be on FOTA's side, and whilst i may not agree entirely with the way they have gone about things i fully agree with the motives.
i just hope that FOTA 1 gets a free to air TV contract and that CVC/F1/Bernie/Max get shafted by their current contracts by not supplying the sport they are contracted to and are ball deep in debt to provide.
finally i'd like to see Ron Dennis back in some role, all friendly with the Ferrari guys, if only to lay a Cleveland Steamer on Max's chest! ;)
This is not common to mention internal dispute of organization or institutions supporting an event on official website.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
However with the no mention, still likely the breakaway series is a no go... ;)
How can you even like these teams when they never turned a wheel in anger?! When they have no personality?!Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
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Originally Posted by Robinho
Great news, Max and Bernie can go and collectively fcuk themselves, now all we have to hope is that FOTA is 100% serious with this and will follow through.
That F1 next year with Williams, Force India, Campos and manure racing or whatever its called, sure will make a great series :rotflmao:
That, for me, is the essence of Formula 1. The history, that the teams and the championship have been around for a long, long time. That Formula 1 can trace it's roots back to well before the war, right to the establishment of motor racing itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That Formula 1 is important and winning in Formula 1 marks you down in history.
A split series wether it be the weakened F1 or the FOTA series, will not have any of that prestige.
i feel quite sorry for Williams, FI and the new guys and i hope they are investigating ways of getting out already and jumping ship - their sponsors will be busy trying to default, so wind the teams up and reform under a new name and join the rest?
That looks better! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
It says the major ones, not all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
IMO Bernie and CVC are the reason for this breakaway. They are at the root of all these stupid cost cutting dictatorial rules.
Why not with ITV?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Of course it's now gone beyond a simple protest about the budget cap. We're on the brink of a full scale civil war for control of Formula 1.
cos ITV have less money than Sir Alan Stanford has access to at the moment
we've been here before though - don't forget MAx and Bernie were inviolved in the last one and have taken F1 on a long way since then. but times have changed and there is a need for a new power structure, and hopefully we will end up with a new head to take the sport on, rather than stagnatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
And why not with BBC? I am sure BBC would rather show a series that people are interested in, there will be a maximum of 16 people interested in F1 series featuring Williams and Force India along with Manure racingQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Before 1950 it was no F1, it was GP racing! And the history is each teams history!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Look it up in the history books, every winner and every champion has a name of his own first of all, it's not only a F1 winner!
The history will go with the teams and their heritage!
More exactly they survived another 3 years and are collapsing in the 4th, nothing to brag about IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Not to forget that back than they had Ferrari on their side, now they only have WIlliams and FI, both together have maybe 5% of the Ferrari fan base!
That's true. However F1 took over from Grand Prix racing as a whole, they did not split into several championships and compete against each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Now if Formula 1 was to disappear completely and be replaced by Grand Prix 1, then indeed the history and heritage will continue.
If there are two series then it will not. Just look at IndyCar and how nobody really cares who wins that any more! (Apologies to IndyCar fans!)
The BBC would rather go with the most popular series. But there is the small matter of contracts to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Now I'm sure the BBC can argue that the FIA has broken its contract and the F1 series of 2010 is not the same as the one the signed up to, but it would be an expensive struggle.
Who says they need to pay much?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
Maybe first year will be free if they will help with substantial publicity for the new series!
The teams are working with 300-400 million budgets right now! They can leave without a 50 million return from TV money for one season during which they offer everything for free!
Depends what is in the contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Obviously because it was 1950 and not 2009. Because there was no need to do it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I think you may be in for a surprise ioan old son.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You have 3 distinct camps in F1. FOM, FIA and FOTA.
I have long predicted that this split is going to happen and my guess is this:
Bernie will be part of the FOTA breakaway series. He is also the commercial rights holder to the name GP1.
Why would he get mixed up with a rival series to F1? Where's Markability when you need hem. Money and Power
Lets admit that Bernie is a master at establishing, promoting and running a racing series. Love him or hate him, he has created the modern F1 with Max.
However, he has seen his power over Max wane as the jumped up little Hitler has begun to overshadow him.
Then we have the sale for $squillions$ to CVC where Bernie only has a minority stake in FOM which is reputed to be in the name of he estranged wife.
Now, if he chucked in with FOCA, he would be able to re-establish his control over the series. GP2 could become a feeder series to GP1 and because CVC wouldn't be involved, money could be re-invested back into the sport and teams.
Then we have the teams. They know they need someone to promot6e and run the series and they know Bernie of old. If they can negiotiate a attractive contract, it would be a no brainer to have him as the series figurehead. His new title; GP1 Supremo.
I would be very surprised if Bernie hasn't got a finger in this pie ;)
But as I say, it's only a guess.
As far as circuits go if it is a breakaway series they will not care if it is up to current FIA F1 quality as long as it is safe enough.
At least for a year or two they probably will not demand the lavish garages they currently have, as long as they better than tents.
In other words circuits that hold LMS or ALMS races, A1GP or even DTM as examples. Why not 2 or even 3 races in the US. Argentina and Mexico are good possibilities as is South Africa. Maybe New Zealand. Bring back Imola.
Zandvroot.
Tracks can be found and if a track can get a confirmed deal for 3 to 5 years, or longer, the money can probably be found to have adequate garages and pits and press facilities etc. If they make money then better facilities can be built.
In addition to Mtl., maybe Toronto would drop IRL in favour of a second FOTA race, or if Mtl. goes with FIA a competing race. I don't think the Quebec/Mtl. people will commit to anything until they see how this plays out. I would love to see Mosport return and there is room for a garage pit complex but the track would be scary fast. Current F1 safety rules do not have to apply as long as it has adequate safety. ALMS runs at Mosport.
However both Mtl. and the return of Indy with FOTA would be likely.
What is needed is thinking outside the box.
There is no need for todays convoluted qualifying and fuel restrictions. Why 2 tire compounds that must be used. Throw that one out. As long as there is only one tire Co. (and that does not need to be) have two or three compounds that the teams can use as they see fit. Real strategy and real racing, maybe.
I can dream can't I?
Bernie has indeed been very quiet recently. And if rumours are to be believed fell out with Max over the whole Nazi sex scandal. So I wouldn't at all be surprised if a new series is established that Bernie will be running it!
FOTA were reported to have got in contact with the MotoGP promoter to help them set up the new series. Why would they need Bernie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
That's true, but they are likely to have contracts with Bernie/CVC/FOM aren't they, and yet FOTA say they "will all feature in this new series".Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not so long ago Bernie said "Apart from my contracts with teams, if somebody went to any of our contracted people...we would view it very seriously. That would be inducement to breach contracts and I don't do that myself, so I won't stand back and let it happen. Any action could run to hundreds of millions of pounds, who knows how much?"
Now maybe - pure speculation of course - Bernie's view has shifted (wouldn't be a first!) because it's hard to imagine FOTA going ahead with this knowing they faced lawsuits amounting to "hundreds of millions of pounds".
i meant back when Max and Bernie were the teams fighting against Balestre, that was messy and the sport recovered and flourished. i think those 2 clowns forget where they came fromQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I prefer Dorna to Bernie as well. Bernie is as bad as Max. Look all the stupid places F1 is visiting instead of A1, Imola... check the butchered tracks, Hockenheim, even Spa. Both Bernie and Max can go to hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Why wouldnt BBC be able to show "f1" and the FOTA series at the same time? Provided they are in different timeslots of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
What was Bernie talking about there? What "contracted people" of his?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Exactly, and while one of those could not continue alone, any two from three working together could run a series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Perhaps - pure speculation again - Bernie is seeing this as an opportunity to cut Max out of the picture. Remember it was Bernie who orignially grouped F1 teams together under the FOCA umbrella in order to have more influence in the sport. It worked back in the 1980's (with the help of Max) and perhaps Bernie sees something of FOCA in FOTA :crazy:
They share 3 letters if nothing else