As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
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As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
You're free to start your Ferrari bashing thread, just leave us have a grown up discussion, before I lose my manners.
Yam, judging from this members posting history he's never been and never will be a Ferrari fan, his a RD and McLaren fanatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
In a strange way all this that can be witnessed now, has been so expected. Already in 2004, during Ferrari's total domination, if I had thought, where would Ferrari be in five years' time, and had known Team MS is going to depart in a few years' time (there were whispers about it already back then), the immediate answer would have been midfield. And now here they are - welcome!
One day the Prancing Horse will be back at the sharp end, but before this major changes have to take place in the team - if and when are they going to happen, is another matter and unknown at the moment. What is puzzling me a bit is that Ferrari - like also BMW - looked like a major force throughout the whole winter testing, which creates question - what went wrong? Were they showboating? Archrival McLaren, who seemed in way bigger trouble, is already showing signs of recovering - not only are they ahead in WCC, but also the pace of the car seems to be at least on par with Ferrari by now. Hard to tell, how much of an improvement may DDD give Ferrari, but I have doubts F60 will become the car to beat in any phase of this season.
The F60 was the first car to be built after the "Dream Team" concepts (the F2007 & F2008 were just developments of the Byrne/Brawn/Todt/Schumacher cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
And that is the problem, and that is why it doesn't bode well for the near future.
The F60 is an under-thought car. There is no apparent design concept to it. Look at the Brawn, the Red Bull...hell, even the Renault & Mclaren are fresh concepts for new regulations.
The F60 isn't. It looks pretty much like an F2008 with a big front wing and a small rear wing...as if the new design team hasn't got it's own thoughts. A design team incapable of fresh thoughts and developing a new concept will never do anything than produce average cars.
It should also be noted that F60 wasnt developed at all during the winter testing. Other cars were changed a lot, new parts coming in all the time, visible changes, but Ferrari didnt seem to get any new parts. I think people within Ferrari were a bit overconfident with the design of the car, but on the other hand, if that was so, why are we having so many reliability issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Cant believe it. Another race...another dissapointing result :(
Does anyone know exactly what happened to Massa's car :?:
Yes - that's the point - after that “dream team” time the team doesn't work on the same way any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
With Schumacher as driver whole team was working to him - which made it of course easier – but after that Schumacher retired and Kimi game to the team - were Massa as a first candidate to be as first driver - the car was more suitable for him and Kimi really have some problems with it in the beginning (even if he won the first race) unfortunately Massa was unlucky and the team decided to put everything to Kimi and as we know he was the WDC 2007.
Last year Massa hade his change but the team made too many mistakes and he lost the title with a point.
This year Massa was as "the possible first driver" again - but this time the car doesn't give him any change.. Reason can be that Ferrari develop the car with Kers - that possible was the main mistake, because the aerodynamic is not that good as it would be without the Kers. (I think)
BUT - if Ferrari modify the car to one of the drivers (and not to both) I think they still have a change to the titles.. That’s my opinion.. however whole team have to work to same direction, Massa and Kimi are both very good drivers and maybe it should be more fair if Massa get a change also this year – even if I think Kimi has more to give if he has whole team behind him.. as the last races on the 2007 ..
I'm sure that next race Ferrari take their first points.. If it will be Kimi or Massa I don't know - maybe both.. they also will use the Kers again (however if it will be a race without rain)..
:)
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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It looks really psycologically difficult to be a Ferrari Tifoso this year :mark:
Not if you are a real tifoso ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
As usual Felippe doesn't have good pace in the opening race. I think he will soon bounce back once all technical problem sorted out, more over the pace of Ferari will be getting better in the next races as it soon leaves tropical race for European with less probability of rain typical race which Massa is not mastering at.
Ok, rest assured everything is ok...
What :?: Massa was up to third from thriteenth on the grid until his car stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by leopardsleeping
electronics failure, more likely possible due to all the rain and standing water on sections of the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
... and that's the crux of this problem, it's always pretty good until another breakdown happens due to reliability issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It would be heroic moment if only he could keep up the pace until finished. Considering times spent with the team I think he knew the car ins and outs. He is in capacity to handle the problem and all the mess in this opening races is forgivable...Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Till the time he retired,he had an equal or faster pace in comparison with the RB5s.Take into account that he was a lot heavier and he had to overtake,and you will see that his performance was awesome!!! ;) (To see the lap chart visit fia.com)
Indeed. Ferrari's mistakes last year cost Massa the WDC, reliability issues and mistakes so far over and above the fact the car is slow this year will not allow Kimi or Massa to challenge the front runners.Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
Thanks V :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
... and now, from the 'misery loves company' segment of our show, comes this.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74778
;) :p :
I feel like he is going to a funeral!!!
Yes... I expected Ferrari to be better at Bahrain, because of the test, but - so far, so awful. Very unpleasant.
Crikey, no bloody aero-updates? Do Ferrari have monkeys developing their cars?
Moderators, I continue to be surprised that this thread was and is allowed. I wouldn't expect to get away with a thread on these forums in which I dictated the opinions that could be heard in it. Why is this one deemed acceptable?
BMW are the same, all will be introduced in Barcelona. If the times are not significantly better, this will be an extremely long and terrible season for Ferrari. If you look at Renault and McLaren-Mercedes they are improving constantly, while BMW and Ferrari are falling...Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
""He wants to be here with the team in this difficult moment."
Which, translated, means that he wants to see what his bloody awful decisions made in 2006 have resulted in.
Don't ask a reasonable question to a moderator and expect a reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
To be fair to the thread starter, I think he has stated that anybody who wishes to discuss the current state of the Scuderia in an intelligent/reasonable manner is welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
And, judging by the quality of the posts here, 99.9% of the posters are.
Except you, obviously. (joke).
If somebody wished to have a "Mclaren Fans Thread" then I don't have a problem with it.
Although I'd be surprised that anybody would want to be associated with such a lying bunch.
I would, because I don't think that any thread should have a restriction on the opinions that can be expressed within it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
So it would be ok for me to post "Mclaren are a bunch of paedos" in the (currently fictional) 'Mclaren Fan Thread'?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
It has no basis in fact, is aimed solely at winding up the Mclaren fans, doesn't add to the discussion but, crucially, it's an opinion so by your reckoning should not only be allowed but welcomed. That's what you are promoting, isn't it?
There are plenty of non-Ferrari fans posting on this thread and they are welcome....so long as they are honest in their posts.
Which should rule out the more obvious Mclaren-apologistas from coming here anyway....which, I note, he hasn't.
This thread has not restrictions, the only thing I will not allow is people getting in here only for starting a fight with Ferrari fans. So everyone is welcome to post and discuss about Ferrari...end of the story :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
As posted in Feedback Forum I've got a life too so I can't be here 24/7 for replying every post/complain/PM/whatever...Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
If you're not happy the way I run this place, I suggest you contact the owner of this Board (Mark) and ask him to fire me ;)
Back to Bahrain....
Much better qualifying than I had initially expected, although I still think it is appalling that there are no updates for a track where the team had a full weeks testing pre-season.
The good news from qualifying is that the Brawns don't look anything super-duper anymore. Competitive, yes, but not on a different level to the rest.
I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Geez, stuck at the back of the line again, 8th and 9th.
Well, Luca, you wanted to come and see how things were going. Now, if it becomes another 'schlepping mule' weekend, you'll have some prime candidates for getting the sack.
Bahrain looks like a points haul.
Ferrari better get their act together or my FGP is screwed.
lmao!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
What happened to Massa's car in China?
I never read what exactly went wrong.
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Originally Posted by wedge
NOT true at all, Ferrari has found some new mods and a way to motivate kimi:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iUqZrtjuOqg/Se...onenki7vv8.jpg
closer, closer, come closer my little friend
Yes, now the Red Bull took their place.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Will they have dust in the McLaren ECU in both cars this time instead of water ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Redbull have developed extremely well. I think they have the edge on Brawn, but only by a hair, the entire field is so tight. Mclaren and Toyota seem to be making steady progress, followed by Ferrari. Renault and Williams have something but they can't seem to capitalize on it, + Renault have been qualifying very light. BMW have a good heavy car, but can't get it to go fast. Toro Rosso need to catch up to their sister team. Force India have a fast driver in Sutil, and I hope they can keep up the development efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I don't believe that anyone should be uncomfortable with posting in any thread, no matter what 'tactics' are used. And I was (I hope obviously) referring to sensible opinions, not just any old opinion used to wind people up. There is a significant difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello