As I said elsewhere, making comments about a 'lack of brain' in relation to Hamilton is not the best way to discourage others from making similarly unnecessary comments about Massa's 'lack of talent', etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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As I said elsewhere, making comments about a 'lack of brain' in relation to Hamilton is not the best way to discourage others from making similarly unnecessary comments about Massa's 'lack of talent', etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
They talk what they wish about Massa's talent, he has given a strong answer on the track. I'm getting tired of people hitting the same guy no matter if he does well or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Hamilton is doing himself no favors, not on the track nor in the press.
I don't dislike him for his race craft but for his arrogance and apparent lack of thinking. The day he proves he's using his cognitive capabilities I'll acknowledge it.
"I apologise to Kimi if I ruined his race. I would rather neither of us be out. I was so quick I was breezing it."
From the esteemed and unbiased Beeb Sport site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/7443089.stm
:)
"I apologies to Kimi!" Would have been just perfect. I suppose he just couldn't say it! ;)
This is hilarious. A few pro-Hamsandwich people turn up and suddenly the truth is what they want it to be.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Personally I think Button would have breezed it and I'm going to get a few people to say the same so we can pretend it's the truth.
If you stop criticising Lewis for not using his brain, start using your own and actually read my post, you would realise that I pointed out that the usage of the word 'if' in Lewis' quote meant that the apology was conditional on Lewis ruining Kimi's race. Lewis clearly did ruin Kimi's race, as you so kindly point out, and so it is a valid apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Certainly, though, it was not stated in such bald terms as you seem to require.
Hamsandwich???Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Daniel, I know you struggle sometimes but please try and make a point in your post instead of childish rhetoric.
What truth are you pretending with? That Button would win? Unlikely.
However, Lewis, coming out in 3rd with more fuel than the other 2, would have had a good chance of winning. Similarly, Robert and Kimi had a good opportunity to do the same.
Lewis was the quickest at the weekend and I feel he had a good opportunity to win. Don't you?
Hamsandwich. It's like the worlds hamilton and sandwich combined. Strange concept I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
My talk of button is what we in the English speaking world call an "example". Sometimes in English it is necessary not to take what people say too literally as they may be using a piece of text as an example. As in if I got a group of people together and said Button had the race in the bag I could claim it was the truth just as you have said that Hamsandwich had the race in the bag even though he was behind 2 other drivers more than capable of keeping him behind.
What's with the attitude Danny? ^^^
Bourdais: Awful showing in a race I thought he would have been beating down on Vettel. Unfortunately, Bourdais brought his temper from CCWS and threw his hand up in frustration at one of his pit members after a mix-up. Last time I checked everyone was on the same team!
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Ignoring your immature name calling then, what evidence do you offer to support you claim that:
1. I claimed that Lewis had the race in the bag
2. The other 2 drivers would have kept him behind
3. The extra speed that Lewis demonstrated coupled with the extra fuel he was carrying would not have been a winning strategy
For the record, I claimed that all 3 of them had a good chance of pulling off the win and quantified it with reasons you can read. You come up with unrealistic examples with nothing to substantiate your claim and then try to deflect away with some dictionary reference :confused:
There is a very good saying that says basically says that when you have nothing of substance to say, it’s not a good idea to say it. ;)
-->"knock on", Kimi was slow in the beginning and in the Qualifications could that mean that Kimi had more fuel then you thought he had? And Kimi was the fastest car on track before Sutil stopped.
And even if it was likely that either Kimi, Robert or Lewis would have won the race if the incident never had happened. There is always a risk for mechanical failures, punctures and etc. Victory is not certain until the car passes post race examinations.
if it was someone else, probably was going to receive a race ban.. but...is Hamilton the good boy...
as we saw with the first safety car...they waited 5 minutes before they decided to call it in...They did not want to ruin Hamiltons race...
Kimi didn't get any penalty for rear-ending Sutil in Monaco.Quote:
Originally Posted by elinagr
I know that Lewis was in the pit lane, but it was surely a similar situation. Kimi made a mistake coming out of the tunnel, Lewis made a mistake coming up to a traffic light.
I think Kimi had some graining problems but as he pitted at the same time as Lewis and Kubica, suggests they were similarly filled. We know Lewis took on more fuel so I suggest he may have been able to go longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
Kimi did set a fastest lap of about 1/10 sec quicker than Lewis a few laps befor the incident but fastest laps are like Bikinies; they reveal a lot but not everything ;)
Pure race pace suggests Lewis had a very competitive package and the longer fuel fill would have put him in a very strong position.
Totally agree. I only claimed that all 3 had a good chance of victory (as opposed to someone struggleing at the back 50%) but that never rules out things like Mechanical breakdown etc.Quote:
And even if it was likely that either Kimi, Robert or Lewis would have won the race if the incident never had happened. There is always a risk for mechanical failures, punctures and etc. Victory is not certain until the car passes post race examinations.
as is mineQuote:
Originally Posted by aryan
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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
sometimes I wonder about a few of you on this forum or if you actually read the posts or just dissect it and look for stupuid reasons to validate your own biases or insecurities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I clearly stated in this thread and others that Hamilton was the donkey of the race. I also stated that the 10grid penalty was stiff but not unwarranted.
What I objected to was the visceral natureof the comments towards LH which didn't seem to be the same for Kimi when he ran into the back of sutil. or evwen Rosberg for the exact same mistake. Or for Massa and Fisi last year for running the red light in the same bloody track.
just check your statments and then realize that the animosity towards Hamilton is trully of a different proportion and you got to wonder why.
I said, AMONGST OTHER REASONS that race plays a factor as well. just as envy does, or the fact that he has an ego, or the fact that he's beeing hailed by the press for his achievements to date.
So if you are unwilling or unable to read an entire thread and would rather selectively ingnore other aspects and then choose to attack me instead of engaging in a dialogue, then that's all I need to know. Incidentally that same tactic explains your miopic view of Hamilton as well which isn't the least bit surprising.
cheers
LOL
NO as said a million times already the past 2 days. Kimi lost control of his car while Lewis didn't pay attention to what was going on ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
Kimis incident wasnt avoidable Lewis' and Nico's was.
Sorry. Donkey is me. It was Lewis who wrongly said he had the race in the bag not you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I'm sorry but you accused people of being racist with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. I disagree with you. Not because you're from the US but because I think you're totally wrong. Why is everything about race?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
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Originally Posted by truefan72
I don't think it's because he's black but because he's so good.
He gets proportionally more attention because of the fact he's a threat to non McLaren fans and a hugely respected and admired driver for the rest of us.
After all, Nico is hardly challenging the Ferrari's is he so he wont get the same attention as Lewis ;)
Well, if there wasn't a Race, we would have nothing to discuss :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
haha LH is an idiot. Cocky idiot! Im glad he crashed haha. Couldn't even say a proper sorry to Kimi. Hope he never wins the WDC
Not the same at all. Kimi fickkd up at speed on the most difficult circuit in the series. Lewis drove into the back of a parked car in the pit lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Rosberg's gotten his share on this thread. To be sure, he didn't spend the whole weekend fanning his tail, metaphorically speaking. That may have created the 'wound' that Lewis' less than contrite attitued after the incident 'rubbed salt into'.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
But then they didn't pile into the back of a parked car either, did they?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
That's actully what you said. And more remarks later in the post which were equally unequivocal.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I point all this out because I think you are WAY off base and have insulted a number of very decent, non-racist people.
Lewis screwed up .
He talked cocky before the race , and gave a qualified apology when it all ended for him .
He talented , but he's got too many people around him telling him that constantly .
Or , maybe it's just one guy . Perhaps his dad being his manager is a little too close .
Whatever the reason , many here , certainly , read his reactions and comments as very arrogant .
Arrogance , if that's what it is , won't ever play well to the public , and will be seen as a sign of disrespect to the others in the championship .
He also screwed up by running into the back of Kimi .
Mind you , if there was someone to hit , Kimi was probably the best one to eliminate .
That said , I can't really see it as on purpose .
Truefan, IMO fans was as harsh to Kimi as they are to Lewis now, but if this is not the case - well, maybe Kimi is more likable ;)
Daniel, one of the things I have disliked most on these forums is this sort of name-calling. 'Cheat-macher' was pathetic and unamusing, and so is this one. You can do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I just wanted to be normal so I chose a really bad name ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
They all pitted in the same time because of the safety car situation, so we have no idea who was carrying more fuel, absolutely no idea, but I wasn't expecting you to know this anyway. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Um, I guess in this ham sandwhich... Kimi and Rosberg are the bread... :cheese:
I've insulted nobody and as my comments were to those who saw fit to add a level of unecessary adjectives in describing hamilton. Numbnuts, blind man, idiot, boy, etc, etc, etc, and those who can't even accept the fact that he apologised to Kimi. Now some even, wnet on to say that the 10 grid penality wasn't enough, others whent on to say that points reductiion should be impossed, and others yet simply came on to the F1 forum to hurl insults at LH before crawling back to their respective forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breeze
Now I don't particularly see you as that person or are you now lumping yourself in with that crowd?
As I said before, my argument was not about the penality or LH obvious mistake, but more to do with the nature of the comments about himon thisd thread. many of which, along with idiotic nicknames, don't seem to materialize with any other driver. That in itself should suffice to question the motives of some on this forum. If it offends you that I bring up an aspect that is clearly stewing underneath but is somehow always ignored for whatever reason, then maybe you should question why you yourself feel offended.
I didn't defend LH's blunder, didn't object to the punishement, but do find the vitriol hurled towards LH somewhat excessive in comparison to other drivers.
why is that?
I agree that it is completely excessive sometimes, just as the vitriol handed out to other drivers is often completely excessive. But I have never really considered any of that directed at Hamilton on here as resulting from racist motives — even very subtle ones. The motives behind it are generally, in my opinion, seriously misguided, but I've never felt them to be racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
It is a rather silly thing for Lewis to do, i do think however he was genuinely trying to avoid kimi when he didnt see this red light and was unfortunate to hit the back of him. However, Lewis really does need to think about what hes saying sometimes. Its not hard to see a red light, and 2 stationary cars. You dont need your team to tell you that.
as I said, that's part of the motivation IMO, not the "sole" reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
But it is an undercurrent thatcan't be ignored. Other aspects such as the fact that he's got an ego, is hailed by the press, and has already achieved a proportionate amount of success play a factor too. But not beleiving that race plays a bit of a factor too (when in fact it already has) is probably not wanting to beleive such a thing rather than the reality of human nature, and people's (even on this forum) misgivings.
cheers
Just because it's been 'said a million times already' doesn't mean it's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
I don't see how Kimi's incident wasn't avoidable if every single other car managed to go down that hill 70 times or so without doing the exact same thing.
I think that they were both avoidable incidents.
In a sense you're right. But you can't go around and penalise drivers for losing control of their car under racing conditions. Particulary in wet conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
You can penalise drivers who do similar things under controlled conditions, such as those under the safety car and in the speed-limited pitlane, or both as was the case in Canada.
That's why Hamilton, Rosberg and Nakajima have all received penalites this year and Raikkonen, Coulthard, Button, Massa and several others haven't.
Including Mr. Hamilton himself for his incident with Fred!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I should give Ron Dennis a call! I CAN see cars and red lights at the same time!
as for comparing it with Kimi's incident, even if to me he was the donkey of the race in Monaco, he did a mistake while racing on a partially dry track, once he lost control of the car it was unavoidable to hit something eventually... as for Hamilton, he could't see a bloody red light! it's way different
Among three drivers, it was Alonso who has the verified drive license, didn't hit drivers in front at traffic light, we must give him applause. :)
Yes both were indeed...Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
Except one was more avoidable than the other...
Stopping a F1 car (no less) going at 80kph from hitting a stopped car should have been much easier than keeping control of a car under braking from 250kph on a slippery surface, no?
There's been no evidence of racism at all in regards to Lewis in the talk on this forum. You're making it up as you go along aren't you? :mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I get it! As in Kimi and Nico were the "bread"! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel