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You are commenting about the forum members and not the subject of the forum, that is a personal attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
This was discussed endless times in this thread, you should read what the others post too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Discussion closed. I will not answer any of your posts in this thread, so do not try to provoke. Thanks.
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Will you answer mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I saw no provocation - just a perfectly reasonable rebuttal of your suggestion that anyone who thinks any differently to you must be doing so because of bias in favour of Lewis Hamilton, when the truth is that it is merely another point of view. Thankfully, not everyone forms their point of view on the basis that their support of one driver or team over all others demands it.
No, not every subject, it depends on the way some of the enthusiasts handle the subject. If they discuss the subject it all works out fine, if however they find no arguments and start attacking the members who put up a subject and proper arguments than we get to what we have in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Ioan. If I was to play silly buggers, I would insinuate that you are personally attacking me. However, that would be rather childish in my opinion (if I were to, I mean)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
So, lets not have this state of paranoia and get on with it, shall we?
No personal slight against your good nature intended. ;)
If I couldn't lap Turkey as quickly as Massa, do you think Bridgestone would make me a tyre that would mean I could?
If my driving style was compromised by admitted and proven flawed tyre construction............Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
And my previous race at the same venue had been scuppered by the same kind of failure that the Tyre company had been unable to properly rectify.
But, as this isn't Michelin, it's alright, isn't it?
So if I proved I couldn't drive on the tyre the way everybody else could, you would make an exception for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
When they have admitted it is a historical flaw that they are trying to resolve, it seems a little silly to suggest it's a drivers fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
It's like going into my local Indian takeaway and getting food poisoning and them turning round and saying they served 50 people and I'm the only one with a problem so it doesn't matter :laugh:
McLaren said that there will be no tyre issues in Monaco. So the whole argument is pretty pointless - McLaren has probably fixed their car, so now probably Hamilton will be able to drive as he likes. If he can't, well, one driver's problem is his own, not of the whole sport.
Although I know that some people believe that cranes are acceptable when the Golden boy "must" win...
Well, the whole arguement is pretty pointless now and let's hope that it never happens again and Bridgestone get their house in order. I really find it unpalatable that people consider something as fundemental as tyre failure and driver wellbeing so lightly but perhaps that's a reflection on them and their values :)Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
As for the crane example, it was later proven, after much wrangleing, that he shouldn't have been assisted but as he didn't score any points, it really is a moot point. Crying over spilt milk springs to mind but had he have scored a point, I'm sure he would not have been allowed to keep it.
Lets hope for a nice, controvacy free Monoco (some hope :laugh: )
LH has been outqualified 3 times fuel accounted for (which we have to count these days, anything else is irrelevant), one we have no data on, and the last one is suspicious (australia).Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Senna was outqualified throughout the year 3 times in 1985, let`s see if LH manages to equal that.
Not to mention HK is outqualifying LH in LHs team, where he is the rookie.
Senna went to De Angelis`team, who managed to easily beat Mansell the year before.
Schumacher was much faster than Piquet from day 1 on.
It`s a funny name (to me) and I will keep using it when I see fit.Quote:
As for the "hype", well referring to him as "Goldie Locks" just adds to it.
Unfortunately my opinion or your opinion is not published for millions of people, even though we both have a much higher understanding of F1 than that idiot. Although, I have to admit, neither of us knows as much about 563th phase turn in as Petey does.Quote:
As for Windsor, well his is just another opinion, and we all have one :)
Only McLaren has that problem, so BS shouldn`t put other teams at a disadvantage to help McLaren when they aren`t capable of doing their job (designing and setting up the car) properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
McLaren could have compromised on their setups to make the tyre last, and HK didn`t have problems anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
So the problem lies with Goldie Locks and his inability to take care of the tyres properly.
Even the most durable of things can get broken if used improperly. Which is what Hamilton did.
Hamilton was excellent but if he wants to retain that driving style through the increasingly rare fast sweeping corners in F1, then McLaren need to get a car that's lighter on its tyres. Or a setup more conservative on tyres.
:laugh: I guess Hamilton's problem may be caused by the 391st phase :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
To be fair that's exactly what they did. According to Martin Whitmarsh, Hamilton "changed his style and driving line" through turn 8, and the team "took a number of measures with Bridgestone, we came here running the pressures and the camber that they specified and we then increased the pressures on Saturday morning hoping that would solve the problem and Bridgestone were very confident that would solve it. It didn't sufficiently to give us the comfort we needed so we made some other adjustments and limited the range in the race."Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Is that your opinion, or are you stating fact? Could you provide us with your source for this please, as I am intrigued you have an insight into all matters black, round and sticky.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
An interesting point. Consider however that in 2007, the McLaren had a habit of being harsh on its rears. One would assume thay have adressed this with changes to aero, CofG and weight distribution alterations.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Remember, Lewis's failure in Turkey 2007 was attributed to a construction issue, not caused by wear. No amount of setup changes can magically remedy a construction fault...
And Bridgestone have openly admitted that the same symptoms were displayed in Turkey 2008, only on Lewis's car. I still don't think this is the fault of Lewis or the team, certainly not if he was not wearing the tyres any more than the rest of the field.
I never noticed that problem with Alonso. I thought that was more to do with Hamilton liking an oversteering car which wears the rear tyres moreso than a smoother style.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
To be honest the 3-stoppers worked quite well, but could probably have been optimised & executed somewhat more aggressively than it was. I think that if Hamilton had pushed much sooner on Massa (& it was clear that he could have) that we'd be saying very different things about the Turkish GP result would have been different.