Can the sanction against Vettel be increased restrospectively by the FIA?
That was such a bad move on Hamilton - school playground stuff - bit of an insult to schoolchildren!
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Can the sanction against Vettel be increased restrospectively by the FIA?
That was such a bad move on Hamilton - school playground stuff - bit of an insult to schoolchildren!
Pretty much cut and dry with Vettel and Hamilton. Seb was very lucky not to be black flagged for his behaviour. I would imagine Ferrari will be talking to him now it's been confirmed he wasn't brake checked and it seems he got a bit excited.
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Vettel is mostly unrepentant. Hamilton is smug. Grosjean stonewalls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8SZeMxWTm4
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1...77/story.shtml
yup. I wonder what Vettel has to say now.
But to me the bigger issue is that they determined this during the race before assessing a ridiculous 10 second penalty.
So why was there not a penalty assessed for running into the back of Hamilton as well, and why so lenient on the 2nd action.
Also folks are saying that the bump was slightly more jarring than reported and it probably contributed to the head support latch becoming loose as well.
That is a triple whammy for Hamilton all caused because petulant Vettel was not paying attention.
given this information, it would not be unreasonable to request and expect the FIA to further sanction him for the next race. Or even make him sit out the next race.
I was also not encouraged by Toto Wolff's comments to sky after the race where he tried to downplay the situation and effectively take the stance of "moving on"
This is absurd and cowardly IMO. fight for your drivers, raise a storm, make a stink and force the FIA to take action. That is what a good team director does. Not sit there and make pseudo excuses for your championship rival who effectively cost you victory and tried to take out your own bloody driver. wtf is that?
Mercedes win because of great drivers and a solid car, in spite of inept race management, and feckless team principals over the years.
And while we are at it, he might want to talk to his junior driver Ocon and ask him why he pretty much let Vettel breeze bye but decided to fight Hamilton tooth and nail in such a manner. I wouldn't raise a stink about it if he had shown the same zeal when Vettel approached him, but the fact is he offered no resistance to the ferrari but then went out of his way to try and keep hamilton behind him.
explain to me what is smug about taking the high road. In his post race interviews i found his responses to be way more diplomatic, respectful and graceful than anyone should have been after such an incident. Smug??? I would reserve that description for Vettel. Perhaps you need to understand what that means instead of finding some kind of way to rope hamilton into vettel's madness.
Definition of smug:
having or showing an excessive pride in oneself or one's achievements.
"he was feeling smug after his win"
synonyms: self-satisfied, self-congratulatory, complacent, superior, pleased with oneself, conceited
"he was feeling smug after his win"
It is getting really tiresome on these forums to read folks descriptions of hamilton that are based on their own bias than anything in reality.
oh well
Given that Rollo is actually an intelligent poster I can only imagine that he was looking to rise someone like you into an argument. There was nothing smug about Hamilton's post race interviews. I found them remarkably restrained. Anyone that thinks Hamilton was smug clearly doesn't have all their screws tightened.
Just to drop in a little of the other side , Vettel was angry , and suffered a "red mist" moment as a result of Hamilton slowing suddenly .
Which he did , from in the 80s , down to 54kph at the exit of the corner .
It certainly right to say Vettel was caught out by this , and that it was wholly his fault , but do recognize that at that moment he took it , rightly or wrongly , as a brake-check .
Seb was clearly too close when Lewis dropped almost 30kph in short order , but Lewis does have mirrors , and they would have been very red as the corner began .
What happened thereafter was a sight that had me remembering the words of Michael , who said it was "deliberate , but instinctual" .
That's what it looked like to me .
He was so angry at what he perceived to be Hamilton ruining his race with a cheap shot , he snapped , and knocked into the side of him .
It was not pretty , but it wasn't life threatening at low speed .
Now , let me say , at this point , that this was really only to add a little different perspective to this discussion .
I do think that Seb should have been forced to sit out for a race over this .
You should simply not do this kind of action at all .
And , I do think that Lewis was right with all he said , however , he should certainly recognize that he did play a role in the controversy .
It may not have been a brake check , however , with Vettel so close , he should also see the trouble as having been avoidable at the same time .
The fault between the two was clearly not onesided!
What did Hamilton do wrong exactly?
The stewards checked the telemetry and said he did not brake check.
I reckon Seb probably had his eyes on the wheel display or just wasn't paying full attention and got caught out by Lewis's slow exit from the corner.
Schoolboy error... and then petulance you would expect from a badly behaved nursery child.
I was very surprised by his very lenient punishment. I'd black flag ANY driver who did something like that intentionally if I was a race steward... even Fernando!
One thing that occurred to me afterwards is that earlier in the race, after a previous SC restart, there was a radio conversation between Bonno and Lewis to the effect of "be careful - you were a little too close to the safety car on that restart" and Lewis shrugging it off.
It does seem to be an issue with the long front straight that the leader needs to leave a *huge* gap to the SC before getting to that final turn, where they're going to need to come out of that corner at racing speed but need to not catch up the SC before it peels into the pits.
So I was wondering: was there a reminder over the radio to Hamilton to be sure to leave a big gap right before that incident?
Yes, that's around 27mph over nearly 3 whole seconds, that's nothing!... and certainly not indicative of a brake test if you are suggesting the Marshall's are lying?
This is F1 and Seb is a top racing driver with reactions that could slow the car many many thousand times faster than that. He was driving with undue care and attention for how close he was to Lewis.
I think your dislike for Lewis is colouring your judgement here.
I think it was pretty poor from Seb but calling for championship bans is too far.
One race at most. I think that would be about right.
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Suggesting a season ban is a bit ridiculous. It was pathetic but he didn't do any real damage (as far as we know).. I was thinking just a black flag and 6 penalty points would be enough and send a strong message without being too heavy handed.
We really just need consistent race stewarding.
A black flag for the race, that's all he deserved !
well it seems the FIA think further action might be warranted.
Just announced by Auto-Motor-und-Sport that Jean Todt and the FIA are investigating the incident with Vettel potentially being summoned to Paris sometime this week.
Vettel was previously warned about actions that might bring the sport into disrepute after Mexico and was let off with a warning not to repeat such behavior lest he incur real sanctions. Well now it seems that this incident was deemed a breaking that mandate they leveled on him.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...7-3426455.html
I think a one race suspension would certainly be justified. I don't think Seb helped his case at all by being defiant about the whole thing afterwards. Some contrition would definitely have helped calm the situation.
Quoting myself, I know, but this is describing what I was getting at earlier: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/06/2...rsial-restart/