Burma/Myanmar uprising

Now we're getting somewhere! But will people lose their jobs if we're not super nice to China? :mark:

I honestly feel that China should be put in it's place. I think the UK would be far better off if they subsidised manufacturing and such so it stayed onshore. China should never have been allowed to grow into the all powerful country it is now. Europeans are stupid enough to think "We shouldn't copy other people's cars and DVD's" and "we should try and clean up the environment" but China just says "stuff you we're making good money doing what we're doing now" and the west just says thankyou very much for your cheap crappy Chinese built Mattel toys with lead paint.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Now we're getting somewhere! But will people lose their jobs if we're not super nice to China? :mark:

I honestly feel that China should be put in it's place. I think the UK would be far better off if they subsidised manufacturing and such so it stayed onshore. China should never have been allowed to grow into the all powerful country it is now. Europeans are stupid enough to think "We shouldn't copy other people's cars and DVD's" and "we should try and clean up the environment" but China just says "stuff you we're making good money doing what we're doing now" and the west just says thankyou very much for your cheap crappy Chinese built Mattel toys with lead paint.

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Well, this is the effect of market forces for you.

Seems plenty of countries and business having been lining up for the major natural gas resource riches and real inexpensive labor supplied by the Myanmar government to build those pipelines.
The song remains the same.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...eaths-cen.html

Sadly yes it is.

I'd rather that a domestic product is allowed to be competitive in the domestic market with subsidies. All this faffing about with shipping tat all the way from China to here is moronic. Why burn up all that oil shipping rubbish over here from China when you could just make it here and get the raw materials from closer to home with less need for wasting fossil fuels shipping it here? :mark:

I must point out that I'm against subsidising products which are being exported. Why did the foam container for my doner meat and chips on Tuesday come from China and not the UK and why shouldn't it be built here? :mark:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Why did the foam container for my doner meat and chips on Tuesday come from China and not the UK and why shouldn't it be built here? :mark:

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because you get 10 continers from china for the same price.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

because you get 10 continers from china for the same price.

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Oh I understand. But at the end of the day you're not just outsourcing the manufacturing of the product, you're outsourcing profits :mark:

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Originally Posted by TOgoFASTER

Seems plenty of countries and business having been lining up for the major natural gas resource riches and real inexpensive labor supplied by the Myanmar government to build those pipelines.
The song remains the same.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...eaths-cen.html

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It's easier to do business with a corrupt leader than to have to deal with a democratically elected people with a mandate.

Seems many like their slice of the pie just the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

For all of you wringing your hands on why the West doesn't do anything, the answer is simple. China. Nothing in this part of the world will happen or not happen without China giving the final say. Why? No one wants to war with them, and if Myanmar's butchers want to do what they are doing, they do it with the tacit knowledge that the US or UK will not be able to stop it.

If there was oil there, the Chinese would have invaded long ago by the way, either by economics or outright force.

This little nation is a tragedy but it just points out to the weakness of the UN and the system such as it is to deal with this sort of thing. WHen a nation goes against the UN and tries on humantarian grounds to stop the oppression, it usually is castigated for having ulterior motives.

All of you who think the international community and the UN is the way to solve all problems, well here is a perfect example of how feckless it is. Power is gained by the mouth of a well aimed gun, and winning wars. Some nations do so with somewhat tainted motives, but a few try to do the right thing, but at some point, the war you create can be bigger than the problem you are trying to solve. Such is Myanamar.

These thugs deserve to be tossed in jail for life or shot, but no one will do it because to do it would entail either the Chinese actually giving a rat's behind and giving their blessing, or a war with the Chinese to go into their sphere of influence......

Most nations care, but not enough that they can do a damned thing. Hey, I have an idea, lets get the US to do it.... of course, that is the answer to most of the problems of the world since they seem to be the only ones to actually be willing on occasion go in, but everyone doesn't trust them for doing it. Maybe in Iraq, the point could be made, but it still doesn't change the fact that American is blamed for whatever happens no matter whether they do it or not....

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Do you have to dodge the militias south of the border who try to stop incursions from Snow Mexicans?

If there was oil there

Good amounts of both oil and natural gas seem to be there.