Nascar no longer uses a rule book

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Originally Posted by Hoss Ghoul

The only calls I don't like by NASCAR here was the decision to not have a GWC(as that is standard procedure) and to overlook and/or have an unclear rule as it relates to Bifle's inability to maintain a proper speed under caution.

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So, you would prefer that the cars race in the dark on an unlighted track?

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Cautious pace: No faster than the pace car, but still traveling forward. It doesn't matter if he's crossing the line on the starter motor. As long as he can finish with out a push, he wins.

Biffle is still moving forward, thus voiding any one's attempt to pass.

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Bingo.

If they had given Bowyer the win, half the people here would be complaining about Biffle being screwed because he was leading when the yellow came out.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Cautious pace: No faster than the pace car, but still traveling forward. It doesn't matter if he's crossing the line on the starter motor. As long as he can finish with out a push, he wins.

Biffle is still moving forward, thus voiding any one's attempt to pass.

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hmm. so Robby Gordon gets dropped 15 spots at Montreal for not keeping Pace Speed, but in Nextel Cup, you only need to drive in a Cautious Speed.

Statement from Ramsey Poston, NASCAR Managing Director, Corporate Communications:

“When the caution came out on Lap 207 the field was frozen. At the time of the caution, the #16 was in the lead and maintained a reasonable speed and was declared the race winner. There is no passing under caution. “By rule, cars under caution need to maintain a reasonable speed, which the #16 did. If it hadn’t maintained a reasonable speed or the car had come to a stop, then that car would not have won the race. In this instance the #16 maintained a reasonable speed, crossed the finish and won the race

Despite the statement I think we are going to see hearings this week after numerous protests were filed.

The NASCAR rule books at many short tracks that use the Whelen All-American Series rule book states a protest can be filed within ten minutes of a checkered flag, and I will not be surprised to see hearings because the #48 clearly stated they were filing a protest.

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Originally Posted by MD24

Statement from Ramsey Poston, NASCAR Managing Director, Corporate Communications:

“When the caution came out on Lap 207 the field was frozen. At the time of the caution, the #16 was in the lead and maintained a reasonable speed and was declared the race winner. There is no passing under caution. “By rule, cars under caution need to maintain a reasonable speed, which the #16 did. If it hadn’t maintained a reasonable speed or the car had come to a stop, then that car would not have won the race. In this instance the #16 maintained a reasonable speed, crossed the finish and won the race

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so reasonable speed I guess is 20 MPH slower than Pace Speed :rolleyes:

boy is this gonna be a fallout for the next fuel milage races

Going with the fact that NASCAR states Biffle was carrying enough speed, should'nt this mean the Bowyer, Johnson, etc. be penalized for passing under yellow?

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Originally Posted by SmokeFan20

NASCAR screwed two drivers in this race.
First Tony Stewart

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:rolleyes:

It's called karma...and it finally came back to bite Smoke in the arse! :D

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Originally Posted by SnailMale

Going with the fact that NASCAR states Biffle was carrying enough speed, should'nt this mean the Bowyer, Johnson, etc. be penalized for passing under yellow?

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That was my thought when I saw those two and Mears passing Biffle.

My next thought when they said Biff had won was WTF??? He ran out of gas!

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Originally Posted by SnailMale

Going with the fact that NASCAR states Biffle was carrying enough speed, should'nt this mean the Bowyer, Johnson, etc. be penalized for passing under yellow?

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actually Johnson passed Bowyer also under caution right before the line, but Bowyer was running Pace Speed, Biffle meanwhile, umm was out of fuel