GP Masters to wind up

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you consider the Goodwood Revival — considered by many to be one of the finest motorsport events in the world — to be a similar example, then?

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Jesus, how can you compare those 2? Goodwood has nothing to do with GPM and is in no way similar. It doesnt pretend to be a serious racing series.
The logic of some people is amazing.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Jesus, how can you compare those 2? Goodwood has nothing to do with GPM and is in no way similar. It doesnt pretend to be a serious racing series.
The logic of some people is amazing.

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I was referring to the fact that it involves a lot of old drivers who would not be competitive in the modern arena, something you seem to take as a personal insult.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I was referring to the fact that it involves a lot of old drivers who would not be competitive in the modern arena, something you seem to take as a personal insult.

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The aim of the 2 series differs by a huge magnitude.

Personal insult?

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

The aim of the 2 series differs by a huge magnitude.

Personal insult?

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You seem so worked up about it, that's all. Never mind.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Why?

Because: although the competitive spark is still there, otherwise a driver wouldn't be entering, the degree of commitment from various individuals will varyas will the degree to which age has taken the edge off their ability.

The drivers might enjoy themselves and we may enjoy seeing them but the bottom line is that the result is meaningless.

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The end result may have been meaningless in that this was not a step on the motorsport ladder, but it was never intended to be that. That in itself caused a problem for the series in that it didn't really "fit" anywhere but that didn't devalue it in my eyes. On the contrary, it made a refreshing change!

I do agree that the level of committment varied, and the motivation for taking part may have differed among the different drivers, but none of them saw this as a "career" move. It simply gave them an opportunity to step into a single seater again.

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Originally Posted by ChrisS

The series on its own doesn't have the power to get people to the circuits, add to that the fact they tried to race in non traditional F1 countries and failure is certain.

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I think the aim was to race on "traditional" circuits but it seems that proved difficult, and the likes of Qatar were more than willing to pay to host races. Unfortunately that took GPM away from those who were most likely to go and watch.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Those GPM guys should compete in who has the smallest beer belly and who has gone the least senile.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Alan Jones pulling out due to lack of fitness and being 10 seconds slower in practise was a good one.

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Alan Jones did not take part in the initial GPM test at Silverstone. Had he done so he would have realised the demands the car placed on the drivers and the level of fitness that was needed.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Goodwood has nothing to do with GPM and is in no way similar.

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A large part of GPM was the "nostalgia" factor of seeing ex-drivers racing and competing with their peers. A large part of Goodwood is the nostalgia of seeing ex-drivers in the cars they are associated with. These events are certainly not the same, but they are not as different as you would like to believe.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

A large part of GPM was the "nostalgia" factor of seeing ex-drivers racing and competing with their peers. A large part of Goodwood is the nostalgia of seeing ex-drivers in the cars they are associated with. These events are certainly not the same, but they are not as different as you would like to believe.

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There is a big difference between watching Rene Arnoux drive an 1979 Renault RS01 around Goodwood and watching him drive a second-hand ex-ChampCar chassis that means nothing to nobody around Qatar.

One is nostalgia, the other is an irrelevance.

That is a big difference. That is the why Goodwood is a success and GPM has gone belly up.

But, since you don't think that's a big difference, how about giving me £30 for a ticket to watch an ex F2 driver mowing his lawn?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

But, since you don't think that's a big difference, how about giving me £30 for a ticket to watch an ex F2 driver mowing his lawn?

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Will he be using the original lawnmower from his F2 days or a second-hand John Deere lawnmower :p :

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Originally Posted by ChrisS

Will he be using the original lawnmower from his F2 days or a second-hand John Deere lawnmower :p :

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A second hand John Deere one. The original mower he had when he was in F2 won't be used....Flymo only demo the 1979 model at their World Series by Flymo events

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Originally Posted by tamburello

There is a big difference between watching Rene Arnoux drive an 1979 Renault RS01 around Goodwood and watching him drive a second-hand ex-ChampCar chassis that means nothing to nobody around Qatar.

One is nostalgia, the other is an irrelevance.

That is a big difference. That is the why Goodwood is a success and GPM has gone belly up.

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You might be right, but then I've already made the point that a venue such as Qatar took GPM away from those who were most likely to go and watch. Had races been able to take place at more "traditional" venues - Brands Hatch, Monza, Zandvoort for example - then the series may have had an opportunity to succeed.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

You might be right, but then I've already made the point that a venue such as Qatar took GPM away from those who were most likely to go and watch. Had races been able to take place at more "traditional" venues - Brands Hatch, Monza, Zandvoort for example - then the series may have had an opportunity to succeed.

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Exactly. I must say that I never really liked GPM, but couldn't put my finger on why. Maybe it seemed rather 'sterile', unlike seeing, for instance, Mansell trying his hand at the BTCC. But I'm glad that someone tried to do it.