The Toyota cheat

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Originally Posted by Daniel

yes very silly statement. When ford had a sort of reserve air tank that was against the spirit of the rules but was still legal because the air went through the restrictor. Toyota's solution was highly illegal.

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Something against the spirit of the rules is not illegal. Simply put, in its ruling FIA assumed that controlling the size of the restrictor is all they need to enforce. Well, they were proven wrong.
So, instead of admitting that, they punished TTE. Not good.
So, what Toyota did? They removed the turbo cheat, won the title again (proving they are still the best team/car around), and said bye bye forever :up:
In other words, thanks to FIA we lost one of the most exciting car in WRC.

so you're suggesting they shouln't have been punished for the good of sport? :s

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Originally Posted by jso1985

so you're suggesting they shouln't have been punished for the good of sport? :s

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Apparently the FIA don't like smarty-pants!!!

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Originally Posted by jso1985

so you're suggesting they shouln't have been punished for the good of sport? :s

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Correct, it wasn't TTE's fault after all. Their restrictor size was in accordance to the rule. The rule itself was governing only the size of the restrictor, nothing else. FIA were confident that that's all they need and that there was no work around it, but they were wrong. TTE saw that gap in the ruling and got advantage out of it. That's it.

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Originally Posted by jparker

Something against the spirit of the rules is not illegal. Simply put, in its ruling FIA assumed that controlling the size of the restrictor is all they need to enforce. Well, they were proven wrong.
So, instead of admitting that, they punished TTE. Not good.
So, what Toyota did? They removed the turbo cheat, won the title again (proving they are still the best team/car around), and said bye bye forever :up:
In other words, thanks to FIA we lost one of the most exciting car in WRC.

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You are merely repeating what I said. I said it wasn't illegal therefore they (Ford) weren't punished. What Toyota did was illegal

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Originally Posted by jparker

Something against the spirit of the rules is not illegal. Simply put, in its ruling FIA assumed that controlling the size of the restrictor is all they need to enforce. Well, they were proven wrong.
So, instead of admitting that, they punished TTE. Not good.
So, what Toyota did? They removed the turbo cheat, won the title again (proving they are still the best team/car around), and said bye bye forever :up:
In other words, thanks to FIA we lost one of the most exciting car in WRC.

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What TTE did was against the rules, full stop. They were excluded because what they did was illegal. Brilliant, but illegal.

Thanks to the FIA Toyota moved from one FIA championship to another FIA championship. Your logic doesn't follow. Toyota moved because they wanted to be somewhere else, not because they were caught cheating years earlier.

I don't get it :confused:

How we lost Toyota since they came back with Corolla WRC?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I always thought it was at the superspecial in Australia when Auriol pulled away from someone else at the stage start. Probably a combination though

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Yes that was what I was told from someone at the Australian Team. The cheat was discovered by studying the turbo under a microscope and a 'hair' could be seen where it shouldn't have been.....

jparker: According to the rulles all air going to the turbocharger must go through the restrictor. And the air comming outside the restrictor is therefore illegal. That's all and easy to understand, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by cossie16

Yes that was what I was told from someone at the Australian Team. The cheat was discovered by studying the turbo under a microscope and a 'hair' could be seen where it shouldn't have been.....

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I wouldn't thought simply spraying a dye or something around the restrictor while ensuring that none of the dye got in through the restrictor would have shown it up.