Here's the door

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Originally Posted by sal

I prefer to think that anyone who feels the need to moan, and I'm probably one of them, only does it because they care passionatley about the subject.

I'm quite happy to subscribe to the "it's better than no WRC at all" school of thought in these days of HSE and Enviromentalists but will be spending more time in 07 watching and hopefully competing again in Historic rallying than following the WRC.All this fascination with splits and watching cartoon cars on Virtual Spectator is somewhat alien to a "dinosaur" like me but am not going to throw my toys out of the pram and stomp off!

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I respect you for this and I don't accuse people of complaining because they are not passionate. I simply say that complaining doesn't do anything. Complaining isn't going to bring back the Safari, it isn't going to bring back more manufacturers and it isn't going to create more seats for drivers :) I think discussing the negative points of the championship is necessary but only in moderation. To be honest sal your name doesn't spring to mind when I think of the group of people who are constantly bashing the WRC. I myself got to see some of the WRC's glory years through the late 80's and through the 90's so I understand what we've lost :( But I simply see no value in going over it time and time again and mulling over it. We'll simply end up bitter old men and women. Enjoy what we've got and who knows maybe we're close to another golden age of WRC :)

The WRC has been in a bit of a decline the past few years but I truely think the sport is an amazing one and is not as doomed as it appears. If next season we get Loeb having a few problems, and as Daniel says competitive Subaru's, with Seb, Marcus, Mikko, Petter and Dani fighting for wins then thats a vintage year! Maybe it takes a threat like the IRC or no TV coverage to really kick the WRC into life again and make the required big changes to secure its future.

C'mon, I don't uderstand! WRC is the best sport, it's certain. But any discussion needs critics. Without it it will soon become boring. Just think what it will look like, if everyone will starts agreeing with everyone! The discussion will be pointless if all just like everything. It the real world! Yes, we love this sport, but can't we judge, what it needs to improve?

Daniel, we've had our disagreements in the past but on this occassion I think you have it bang on. Lets embrace what we have got and see how things develop. Motorsport as a whole will face some serious challenges over the coming years and the worst thing that WRC rally fans can do is sow the seeds of their own demise by bickering as who knows who reads these forums and for what ends? With deminishing media coverage in some countries the UK being a prime example we should be grateful there are any teams left at all doing the series regardless of if they have "rentadrivers" or not?

Bring on 2007!

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Originally Posted by White Sauron

C'mon, I don't uderstand! WRC is the best sport, it's certain. But any discussion needs critics.

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Of course it needs but if you do it just for the sake of it then you have taken the wrong path IMO.

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

Of course it needs but if you do it just for the sake of it then you have taken the wrong path IMO.

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You didn't get my point. I mean that if I, for example, don't like Wilson as a driver, why can't I express my opinion and say that such drivers are making my favorite sport worse. I don't say I no more like the sport. I'm just looking for the ways to improve it. You know, there's always room for improvement. In everything. And rally's no exclusion.

how many WRC fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

three

one to screw in the bulb and two to argue about how the old one was so much better.

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Originally Posted by FrankenSchwinn

how many WRC fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

three

one to screw in the bulb and two to argue about how the old one was so much better.

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You forgot to mention that you need Pentti to tell you that the bulb would be better with left hand threads, Ivan to render a really stupid looking bulb that no one would want and someone who's never even seen a lightbulb to say that they could do better.

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Originally Posted by White Sauron

You didn't get my point. I mean that if I, for example, don't like Wilson as a driver, why can't I express my opinion and say that such drivers are making my favorite sport worse. I don't say I no more like the sport. I'm just looking for the ways to improve it. You know, there's always room for improvement. In everything. And rally's no exclusion.

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Of course we need to discuss the negatives. But like I said you also shouldn't forget all the positive things. Matt's involvement if it's not your thing still has some very positive things that come out of it. If you don't like something in the WRC lets talk about it. But lets not keep on going on about it all the time so much that it makes people on the forums sick. I looked at the WRC forums last night before posting this thread and about 1 out of 3 threads were mostly complaint threads and all along the same lines as well!

pino, you're right, i dont love you, i leave that to the ladies in your life, but i like you man. you're always insightful and helpful with offensive posts and users. i only said that cause you run a tight ship and to tell you the truth i'm glad you left this thread open. i thought you'd close it or move it cause it's not directly rally related but user related.

anyway, the wrc does urinate on other international motorsports (or maybe it's DR doing the urinating....) and i dont think anyone will deny that. but is anyone here REALLY only here to whine and moan? i think some whine about certain topics like wilson, while others whine about having to pay for TV, all the while some whined about portugal being out and then some whine about how safari was righteous etc..... i doubt there is a single user here that whines about all that is wrc..... at least not that i've seen but i dont spend that much time here.

on a lighter note, when i signed in:
chitchat - 11viewers
F1 - 9 viewers
champcars - 19 viewers
wrc - 35 viewers