BRSCC response

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Originally Posted by Chigley

I totally agree Simon. NO, NO, NO.

Run outside of the MSA jurisdiction and we loss a thorough chain of support, appeal and jurisdiction. You could not operate with any MSA licensed official, or marshal, we are not insured and I for one am not putting my life on the line without damn good insurance and support behind me. Incarace could not hold a candle against the protection and support I get from being a MSA registered marshal.

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Key words for me are support and jurisdiction. Incarace operate outside any form of authority (somebody please correct me with evidence if I am wrong) and therefore are open to being prosecuted (both as a company and individuals working their events) should anyone (including public) be injured or killed at a race event.

The level of monetry support Incarace get (I believe) for Motorfest is significant, and I would put forward the promotion (or not) of the National Championship weekend coming up at an Incarace track in two weeks as Incarace's normal level of advance promotion of events (specifically, they have no information on ticket prices, camping, etc this close to the event).

"I know the BRSCC people who are running the SCSA championship, talk to them, they listen and take note. Do you remember the debacle of the first meeting last year, virtually every marshal was going to walk and abandon oval racing, a lot did, however the BRSCC listened to our dialogue and changed things quickly to improve matters."
Chigley, while I respect your views and bow to your greater knowledge on the subject and motor racing in general I feel I must disagree with your above statement.
On Sunday I saw no evidence of BRSCC working in the best interests of SCSA, in fact my impression was the opposite.

I can't believe someone wrote to the organiser of the Caterham championship and complained enough to upset them. That's well out of order! Especially after they put on such a good show. As Witty said we need to keep a level head and definately not go upsetting people and burning bridges.

On the Lautsitz subject, I'd like a holiday in Germany and I'm sure a few of the regular fans would feel the same.

Incarace are part of this "International Drivers Organisation" or whatever it's called, which is a sort of "alternative" to the FIA/MSA, covering things like track based stunts, etc....

They've probably spent all of their money on Motorfest, and just rely on "local knowledge" and experience to cover the rest.

Regardless of that, they ARE promoting their events 1000000% more than just about every form of national motorsport (other than the BTCC with it's multi-million point manufacturer backing).

Returning to a Chigley point earlier.. we need more marshals, it's something that's affecting motorsport in general, and I'd say that the lack of promotion of motorsport to the masses is party to the lack of marshals. If people do not know that they can go and do it, then they just won't be there.

I reckon the mainstream TV should have a "freebie" advert slot every now and then during peak viewing times where causes like this can get their subject aired at little or no cost. Or perhaps the marshals club should start hounding the news dogs to get some airtime - if it's on the back of the successes of Lewis Hamilton, then so be it. Make it so No.1.

Rob.

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Originally Posted by racing59

Incarace are part of this "International Drivers Organisation" or whatever it's called, which is a sort of "alternative" to the FIA/MSA, covering things like track based stunts, etc....

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Can you provide anything 'concrete' to back this up, Rob? (I'm assuming you mean IOPD - IOPD.org)

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Originally Posted by The White Lady

Sadly that would make it difficult for some of your die hard fans here to follow the whole series. Part of the draw for us is that it is mainly a Rockingham based championship which makes it accessible for us.(aside from the noise, the smell, the atmosphere etc.. :) )

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I don't have a problem at all with the series going to Lausitz. If it does anything to improve the profile and encourage more sponsors, drivers and teams, that has to be good for the series.

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Originally Posted by racing59

Returning to a Chigley point earlier.. we need more marshals, it's something that's affecting motorsport in general, and I'd say that the lack of promotion of motorsport to the masses is party to the lack of marshals. If people do not know that they can go and do it, then they just won't be there.

I reckon the mainstream TV should have a "freebie" advert slot every now and then during peak viewing times where causes like this can get their subject aired at little or no cost. Or perhaps the marshals club should start hounding the news dogs to get some airtime - if it's on the back of the successes of Lewis Hamilton, then so be it. Make it so No.1.

Rob.

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The reason there are less marshals is that there is a national problem with volunteering - just ask a few charities. It is a constant battle to get people to give their time for free. The issue with the lack of marshals only reflects the issue of volunteering in general.

Julian

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Originally Posted by racing59

I reckon the mainstream TV should have a "freebie" advert slot every now and then during peak viewing times where causes like this can get their subject aired at little or no cost. Or perhaps the marshals club should start hounding the news dogs to get some airtime - if it's on the back of the successes of Lewis Hamilton, then so be it. Make it so No.1.

Rob.

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Good old martin brundle and co seem to be pluging marshaling at the moment on the f1 show,s (but to marshal f1 thay have to start at grass roots level for a while, and will take a while to do f1)
The trouble is a lot of people judge motorsport by what thay see on tv, Which is a different world apart from say..750MC, LEGENDS, PUT,S, NORTH GLOUCESTER ECT....to name but a few where a lot action is.

I agree with your comment regarding volunteering.
I blame Tesco's. If they didn't open on Sundays, nobody else would, and we'd get our hallowed day of racing/gardening/sunday lunch/down the pub/Egyptian PT/etc.. back again!!!

One of my friends is a scoutmaster, and according to figures he has, there is a waiting list of something like 30000 kids trying to get into the scouting movement. Adults don't want to get involved because of the legal crud that goes with it - all of the police checks, social services delving into your affairs, etc.. and then being under the spotlight, open to the slightest malicious allegation which may ruin their lives/careers etc... so they don't bother.

Had I got more time at the weekend events, I'd come out and give you a hand.

Rob.

Like Rob, and many others, I have too many other calls on my time to do any marshalling thse days - maybe if I finally give up the daily grind before the old body does?? However, I do have a question and I would like to hear Ians views. The marshalling at a pure oval event must be much less onerous than where cars are wandering all over the Corby countryside. We have the yellow lights and apart from a small number of comms equiped observers on the bend exits, and our superb safety crews and flag stand operator of course, I venture to suggest that we should be able to get by with that degree of lesser cover for such oval only events. Would oval-only meetings be easier to promote because of that, and is that what we would want? I gather that the BGs could just about manage full circuits and even the legends might be able to do it as well, although they might just get a bit breathless trying. And we have always got good old Terry Grant, maybe the odd noisy dragster from across the next county and there are always the wheelie bin racers to try again! Perhaps in trying to get events with lots of wandering races BRSCC are making life more complicated than it needs to be to meet our simple needs - or do they have club sections that will always jump at the chance to go fast at such a great facility - oops, nerve ending alert?