WHY - North American races

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Originally Posted by aryan

Even Aussie V8 Super Cars refused to ran support to F1 this year.

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That decision was made entirely on complications from TV rights and coverage once Channel Seven obtained the rights to the V8's.

In the laste year I have been to a indy car race(GOLD COAST INDY) and a F1 race(MELBOOURNE) Although I thought6 they were both boring tracks as you can only see a small part of the track, I felt that the Indy cars looked to be very poor in there dynamics, overshooting chicanes in practice when they did not blook especially fast and very poor nioses popping and banging not sounding good at all. but the F1 cars were spectacular! They took corners at speeds that defied how they did it and stopped in impossible short distances. The only thing that I diddnt like about melbouren was the place and the officials. Now I dont know weather this is just at a F1 meeting or just at Melbourne as Adelaides clipsal race is a fantastic place as I have been there 3 times buit not to a F1 race.

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Originally Posted by XR8

... I felt that the Indy cars looked to be very poor in there dynamics, overshooting chicanes in practice when they did not blook especially fast and very poor nioses popping and banging not sounding good at all. but the F1 cars were spectacular! They took corners at speeds that defied how they did it and stopped in impossible short distances.

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There's no point making a direct comparison of the cars. Champ cars are much heavier than F1 cars and use relatively low-tech brakes. F1 team budgets are 10x Champ Car budgets. The popping noise is the turbo's pop-off valve. If you're mostly interested in the fanciest tech, there's no comparison, F1 is astounding. If you're more interested in good racing action, the relatively low-tech and spec nature of Champ Car is much better. More drivers have a chance to win races. The handling is more forgiving; that and the longer braking distances allow for more aggresive driving and more chances at passing. It really suited Alex Zanardi's style, that's why he thrived in Champ Car but not in F1.

I don't know what it's like at Surfer's Paradise but in the U.S. the Champ Car races are way more fan-friendly than F1. In the paddock you can get close to the cars as they are being worked on. The drivers are way more accessible than in F1. Here's a picture I took in 2002, Kanaan and da Matta just hanging out, having fun:

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/car...ls-dg-0358.jpg

Uhh, can you tell I'm a Champ Car fan?

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

What baseball league is superior to MLB?

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None, because no one else cares about something so hugely stupid as baseball. :p

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Originally Posted by tacksharp

the relatively low-tech and spec nature of Champ Car is much better. More drivers have a chance to win races. The handling is more forgiving; that and the longer braking distances allow for more aggresive driving and more chances at passing.

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You mean like GP2?

Yes I like GP2; it's good as a feeder series ;)

Seriously guys, Which one do you think is faster, GP2 or ChampCar? They don't share any tracks so I guess direct comparison is impossible, however is there a way to make an indirect inference?

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

None, because no one else cares about something so hugely stupid as baseball. :p

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:p : Pfffft.... Baseball is hugely popular in:

1. USA
2. Central America
3. Mexico
4. Japan
5. And is gaining popularity in the Pacific Rim.

:rolleyes: Now if you were discussing Australian Rules Football...

you might have a point !!!

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

:p : Pfffft.... Baseball is hugely popular in:

1. USA
2. Central America
3. Mexico
4. Japan
5. And is gaining popularity in the Pacific Rim.

:rolleyes: Now if you were discussing Australian Rules Football...

you might have a point !!!

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You forgot Canada, some Carribean islands, and a few South American countries.

Now to get back to something that resembles the topic...

I'm not sure how heavy the GP2 car is, but a Champ Car has 200 more horsepower than the GP2 car.

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Originally Posted by kalasend

As a matter of fact, no US sporting league think of themselves as anything less than world premiere. Do you know what are the most common words on teh official titles of US sporting leagues? That's right, "World Champion". That pretty much sums it up.

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Well to be fair, most U.S. League champions are the best in the world in their respective fields.

NHL teams are by far the best hockey teams in the world

NFL teams... well.... they only play American Football in America anyway...

NBA teams are most likely the best basketball teams in the world. Although some of the crappier ones have lost to international teams before.

MLB teams are probably the best baseball teams in the world too. Though some have said that Japanese teams could probably compete with MLB teams so that one might be argued.

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Originally Posted by LeonBrooke

I agree - I see no way out of the hole for them if they don't. But they never will.

Oh well, their loss.

But then, they'd have to change their format substantially - get rid of the ovals and universally adopt standing starts. Will they ever do that? Champcar has been making noises about becoming more rest-of-the-world friendly in the racing format, but do they really mean it?

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Why would they do it? Why would they get rid of races that are popular and exciting just to be more "rest-of-the-world friendly"? CC and the IRL don't care about the rest of the world, just like the rest of the world doesn't care about them.

They care about the North American market and specific other markets globally where they do well and that's it. Some people, believe it or not, like American Open Wheel racing more than F1. These are the people CC and the IRL care about.

It's two completely different kinds of racing going after two completely different kinds of markets. There's no reason to work together. It would be like F1 and NASCAR working together.