2025 Race 24 - Abu Dhabi

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Still 50 seconds behind his teammate!
However I do give "The Boss" a lot of stick. I don't really believe it. I'm just sort of a rude a--hole that way! :laugh:

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Nah, you are free to say what you think. Dropping out in Q1 was always going to produce a 50-second gap. It could have been worse, like finishing outside the points. But I agree with you, it seems the partnership between Ferrari and Hamilton may not bear fruit. And l think Ferrari would be the reason why. They have no excuse as this is the third multiple world champion that Ferrari has been unable to win a championship with. With that kind of statistics, it is definitely a Ferrari problem, not the drivers.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Dude's toast dawg.
Dude's toast.
I think you know who I'm talking about. :dork:

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Yeah I kind of figured you were talking about that dude. I think that dude made a bad move and now he's paying the price. Even if they get the car right someday he has to beat his teammate, and right now it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Yeah I kind of figured you were talking about that dude. I think that dude made a bad move and now he's paying the price. Even if they get the car right someday he has to beat his teammate, and right now it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.

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Ha, you forgot about the China sprint, The car went downhill from that race. If the car is competitive, the picture would be quite different and Leclerc knows it.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Nah, you are free to say what you think. Dropping out in Q1 was always going to produce a 50-second gap. It could have been worse, like finishing outside the points. But I agree with you, it seems the partnership between Ferrari and Hamilton may not bear fruit. And l think Ferrari would be the reason why. They have no excuse as this is the third multiple world champion that Ferrari has been unable to win a championship with. With that kind of statistics, it is definitely a Ferrari problem, not the drivers.

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No question a Ferrari problem. You don't get that bad quite that fast. Mid pack team next year?

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Ha, you forgot about the China sprint, The car went downhill from that race. If the car is competitive, the picture would be quite different and Leclerc knows it.

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Both drivers had much better finishes after China, and Leclerc even managed two back to back podiums in the last 1/4 of the season. But I'm sure Charles is shaking in his drivers shoes. :laugh:

Unless you want to count that one Sprint win as something important, Leclerc beat Lewis in virtually every metric that a driver is judged by. That can always change, but it's hard to ignore that one driver managed 7 podiums in races while the other had none.


No doubt the Ferrari was far from the best car this season, but considering the double DSQ in China, and two more races with double DNF's, they could have easily beat RB in the constructors points. For that matter had Lewis matched Charles on points they would have beat Red Bull. AND Mercedes! Granted Red Bull is essentially reliant on a single driver, but performance alone kept Ferrari from being higher in the WDC either way. But Ferrari is Ferrari, and the car isn't going to suddenly be on top because they hired a new driver.

He picked his poison, he paid the price. I'm sure Kimi is ok with the decision though, he had a better car and a podium in his rookie season.