True. I remember when I saw an otter in the wild for the first and only time in my life. It came about 5 meters to me before turning away. I didn't need to kill it to feel good about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
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True. I remember when I saw an otter in the wild for the first and only time in my life. It came about 5 meters to me before turning away. I didn't need to kill it to feel good about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Eki,Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
If you have a drug problem you know we're always here to talk about it with you and help you through this tough time. I can only assume that you do have a drug problem when I see you post something as preposterous as that. There is no way that a sheep is getting from us what we get from it and you must be smoking something pretty potent to be seeing things that way.
Hawkmoon. There is a big difference between whaling and hunting a pig. The japanese are hunting something that is endangered and I will never agree with the hunting of endangered species. That includes hunting Otters Eki......
L5 I think you made the point best. Hawkmoon, I find it enormously hilarious that you call keeping tens of thousands of chickens in sheds in close proximity and pumping them full of hormones, "civilised" while a person going out and "manufacturing" his own food naturally and organically with his own gun is something savage. Funny! Really funny!
No Daniel, there's no difference. Whales are only endangered because humans hunted them into that state. The fact that pigs aren't doesn't mean that the motives behind them being hunted are any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Daniel, western civilisation has evolved to the point that hunting and gathering is no longer necessary for subsistence. Hunting today is nothing more than sport and it's a "sport" that I have a problem with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I stated that there are enough problems with the way we keep domestic animals without adding inflicting pain on wild animals as well. I agree that there is nothing civilised with some farming practices.
People choose to go hunting. They don't need to do it. They do it because they enjoy killing animals. It's something that I don't think I will ever understand.
Hawkmoon. I demand you stop the suffering of animals now. Stop eating meat and get your iron and protein from tablets or plants.
You don't need to eat meat. You choose to eat meat.
Hawkmoon, get a grip. There are tribes in Africa, Asia and South American that still regularly hunt down animals and kill them. That's their way of life and they enjoy the fact that this is their life. Is their way of life wrong? Should they accept your interpretation of the "western" style of life and move to a city, hold down a job, buy food from a supermarket, develop alcohol and drug problems or should they live life the way they want to and respect the land and the animals that allow them to live this way rather than rape and pillage as us "civilised" westerners do?
I said I don't agree with whaling so don't try and make it sound like I do. Farming and hunting must always be done in a sustainable manner. If you don't like hunting I hope you've never gone hunting for fish with bait and a rod. I really hope you never do this or that you've never gone into woolworths and buy wild fish that was hunted and caught and prepared for you.
Hunting is NOT sport. Hunting is going out and killing something so you can eat it. Sport shooting is going out and shooting something for it's tusks, horns, other ornamental apendages or just for the sake of it and leaving it there to rot. Hunting is no different to going to Woolworths and picking up that bright red rubbish they try to pass off as Beef (beef should be a deep red colour if it's been hung for long enough) except for the fact that it's more satisfying. Think of it like taking your car to the garage or fixing it yourself. It's the fact that the human race has devolved into a race of wimpy namby pamby people who cry when they break a nail and can't stomach the harsh reality that for us to eat stuff that stuff has to die and it's not as easy and clean as picking an apple from a tree.
Hunting is also one of the ways that wildlife population like deer and boar are controlled here. I guess it would be better to let populations grow out of control and have hunger and disease threaten the beast, not to mention the people that will be killed by hitting deer with their cars. I don't know about Australia, but here deer and pigs are everywhere. My wife's ex hit a deer last year and was luckily OK. I came within a few feet of hitting a big buck myself last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
There is a huge difference between an endangered species and licensed hunting that helps maintain healthy wildlife populations.
OK Daniel, if you make a distinction between hunting and sport shooting, that's fine. I don't, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I think were going to end up arguing in circles but answer me this. What is it, exactly, that you find enjoyable about killing animals? You don't need to do it for food and you can stalk and animal without killing it so why does the animal need to die?
Please respond to my post in full and don't skirt around issues that I bring up :)
At the same time people kill wolves, bears, etc that would normally keep the deer and boar populations in check.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBell
But they would just kill your pet dogs and sheep and we can't have that now can we? ;)
For the record, i don't mind people hunting to keep certain species in check, but if done for a sport seems bit unfair if done with equipment other than rocks , and if done to quench one's thirst for blood i'd suggest going paintballing or computer games instead.
Not if they have enough deers and boars to eat. I'm sure they'd prefer a tender deer or a juicy pig over a bony dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi