Is Fernando Alonso for real?

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Alonso should try to win/beat his teammate without team-orders

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Here we go :rolleyes:

Now that I think of it, it must be his new haircut -

Also fortunately he still shows his uniqueness on his "get out of his car" celebrations and his zig zag stint before crossing the finish line was fun too.

Whatever it is that has happened with these new McLarens - the engineers, designers, and all of the rest of the wizzards that specialize in this F1 business coupled with the drivers input has made a great difference to the car that my man Juan once drove with team McLaren.

Pitty that Juan nor Kimi had the benefit of what seems to be a fast but most important, a reliable racing car.

How did it happen? Many of you have given your oppinion on how it happened and the bottom line is that I'm glad for Alonso and Hamilton and of course, for the excitement that it may continue to bring to this sport.

:s mokin:

Alonso will become a legend, just like Schumacher, Senna, Clark, Stewart etc. As far as this year goes, Fernando Alonso three time world champion has a nice ring to it!

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Also the new tyre rules have helped them tremendously. Also the fact that they started desiging this years car earlier than usual last year, because they saw they werent good enough last season.

Alonso should try to win/beat his teammate without team-orders

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Please help us understand how a team switching from a different constructors tire to a spec tire will have a "tremendous" benefit?

Why didn't renault, honda, bmw, ... benefit tremendously?

Only team's that could have potentially benefitted would be Ferrari, Toyota, Williams and Spyker, because they all ran on the same constructors tires for more than 1 year.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Have to admit you are right! :D



Well in fact they started to design this year's car around one year ago, not 6 months.

One thing that helps them hugely is the rev limitation on the engine, I honestly doubt that the Mercedes would have been this good compared to the competition if they would have all run those over 20000 revs/min they showed they were capable of last season. But with 19000 Merc got the chance to get them all limited to its own level.

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You are right about the engine, but I think that the car has improved a lot in every area, if compared with lasts years car. So, not only the rev limited engines have helped them. ;)

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Please help us understand how a team switching from a different constructors tire to a spec tire will have a "tremendous" benefit?

Why didn't renault, honda, bmw, ... benefit tremendously?

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It's the nature of rule changes that quite often teams have to take a best guess as to how to adapt to them, some teams will get it right i.e. McLaren, some teams will get it horribly wrong, i.e. Honda.

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Originally Posted by PSfan

3 weeks ago did I sleep in and miss the "Is Kimi for real thread?"

Seems to me, they each have 1 win... Except Kimi's win didn't reek of dirty tactics (which confuses the hell out of me cause I thought it was Ferrari's specialties, I'm sure they'll do it too first chance they get.)

Funny how Hamilton's car was damn quick until he got in front of the Ferrari's, add that to his "I wanna win" comments over the radio, followed by the I made him make a mistake comments.

I'll translate his radio conversation as: "One of these times, you'll let me race, and have Alonso hold everybody up"

And his "Forced Massa to make a mistake" remindsa me of some jerks I use to work with that on the drive home after work would insist on driving 20km below the speed limit, and speed up when you tried to pass.

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What dirty tactics?

And Hamilton was damn quick until he got infront of the Ferrari? You mean the first corner? Before that, Hamilton was nearly 1sec slower than Alonso in qualifying. Or do you expect Hamilton to be at Alonso's level after 1 GP race experience?

And were you expecting Hamilton to say 'I don't want to win' after finishing second? I just think it's Hamilton saying what he's done even before Oz, he wants to win races. No one else 'translated' it quite the way you have.

The only thing I agree is when Hamilton said he forced Massa into a mistake was quite arrogant. However I'd rather have him say that, than be all politically correct. We need a character, I hope McLaren let him show us his personality, not just his racing talent.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Also the new tyre rules have helped them tremendously. Also the fact that they started desiging this years car earlier than usual last year, because they saw they werent good enough last season.

Alonso should try to win/beat his teammate without team-orders

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Where did Alonso benefit from team orders in this race? Hamilton managed to get past the Ferraris, but he wasn't holding them up by compromising his race. He was going as fast as he could.

Should Schumacher have tried to win without team orders?

What I found interesting was when Martin Brundle asked Massa if he would be allowed to beat Kimi, Jean Todt interrupted him and said 'Can you not ask some GOOD questions'. Jean Todt really did look embarrassed by the suggestion that Massa may have to help out Kimi.

Shows how it was obviously Schumacher who implemented the ruling at Ferrari for a decade that there should be a clear No1 and No2! Though for those who were watching F1 in the 90's knew that Ferrari never had a system in place before Schumacher, and Benetton got rid of it as soon as he left for Ferrari.

Still, glad to see Jean Todt knows the difference between right and wrong now it seems :)

Btw, regarding the reliability of the McLarens. It was only Kimi who suffered so many problems. Yes Montoya had the odd mechanical failure, but nothing in comparison to Kimi!

And Kimi's race was compromised due to an engine related problem which started in Oz. Saying that, if everyone says it's just circumstantial, it obviously is :)

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Originally Posted by raphael123

Where did Alonso benefit from team orders in this race? Hamilton managed to get past the Ferraris, but he wasn't holding them up by compromising his race. He was going as fast as he could.

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:rolleyes: :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rolleyes: :laugh:

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Wow, did you just not critizise Arrows F1 for responding with smilies? So are you a hypocrite as well as a liar? Or is that too personal? Sorry :)

I don't mind discussing things with you, if you actually have anything intelligent to say on the matter.

I'm assuming you think Hamilton was DELIBERATELY driving slowly to hold up Ferrari?

As I said, I'll discuss things with you, if you can actual back up your opinions, and reply with some sort of intelligence. Maybe start with a sentence? :)