It was under TG that the IRL switched from an All Oval series to one that is run predominantly of road/street courses.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00steven
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It was under TG that the IRL switched from an All Oval series to one that is run predominantly of road/street courses.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00steven
This whole thing seems kinda strange. For those who think it is bad for Indycar - how often does Indy stay in the news the full week after the race?? In this case, I am pretty sure there is no such thing as bad PR....
Sounds like the owners have some legit gripes about the cost overruns on the new equipment.
I cannot believe this is over "turbo-gate" as, if I am capable of understanding that the change to the turbo housing (not a "new" turbo as many have said) was within the rules (as were two independent panels/judges) I am quite sure the team owners know it was within the rules.
Chevy pulled their "fast one" (mass engine changes) a little too early in the season - I am sure everyone "in the know" realizes that too...
The bottom line is that if anyone wants Randy fired, it is not over "turbogate" or other rules issues. Perhaps it is over costs, perhaps over the fact that someone is actually policing the rules now, or perhaps just a plain old grab for power.... OR, this is a clever way to keep the series in the news for very little cost (if that is the case they may want to do something to make the whole lot of them sounds less like spoiled, whiny 5 year olds...) and on that level it seems to be working.....
Randy Bernard has done more for Indy Car than anyone else has since 1996- if they get rid of him and re-instate TG then they only have themselves to blame for what happens next. Utter madness on behalf of the teams owners- but then again there is history- saw it in CART as well
[quote="Starter"]You're absolutely correct. It would still be CART.
Wrong! I remeber until 96 was Indycar with stars,cars and fans in big numbers. Then tg happened. This is not to restart old bs just the fact that was Indycar world series before great visionary force them through court system to change the name. Indycar with Randy is in good place now and fans are coming back therefore last thing Indycar needs a dude who was ousted by his family for lack of business savvy and blowing family fortune. I know there are people that worship this amateur but this is my opinion, there is nothing personal here. I just wish that these idiots would see a good thing and let it prosper and live it alone.
Yeah, but it was under Tony George that the IRL began as an all oval series to begin with. So... there's still that. Eventually correcting a serious error in judgement does not excuse one from making the initial mistake in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
But we can't go back and relive the past. We are where we are now. And IMO the best thing these owners can do now is stop whining and start getting on with the program. Things have marginally improved. But in its current state, comparatively speaking, the series is about on par with GP2 in too many ways. The teams seem to have largely lost the ability to present themselves (their drivers and and their sponsors) to the public the way they used to. Now, in that, they can look to the past and realize what they used to do (that worked), and what they need to start doing again.
I was just wondering about all of the hate here directed at the person who created and developed the very same series you all claim to be fans of!
It is like loving your iPod/iPhone/iPad but hating Steve Jobs.
This series is Indycar - it is the descendant of a long line of American open wheel racing series' that have had lots of political infighting for decades, tons of inept leadership and despite all of the mis-steps has somehow survived inspite of itself. Tony George is just part of the continuum that is AOWR. Yes he founded the IRL and the nuts and bolts of the IRL are what make up the current sanctioning body - but what we have now is not really what TG founded - it is just a continuation of the latest evolution of AOWR (which I believe started with the Cooper Climax in 1961).... So, it is ok to "hate" TG and "Love" indycar - they are really two different things (at least in my mind)... Also, functionally this series is much closer to CART circa 1990 than IRL circa 1997 and if you want to get real technical it is even more like USAC circa 1968 (sans the dirt tracks and a bit heavier on the road courses)....Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Except that those particular products that Steve Jobs created were successful and profitable, pretty much out of the gate. And there's been no need to radically change them from his original "vision" in order to keep the train moving. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
hmm well actually he helped destroy the best open wheel racing series on the planet by creating his pointless (and unneccessary) racing series in the first place- helped in no small measure by the equally incompetent CART series owners and team bosses who alas ran that series into the ground. What we have now is just the next stage of rebuilding from 15 years of madness- sort of what CART looked like back in the early 90's. Bring back Road America and Phoenix and it is 1991 all over againQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
either way RB is the man to get the job done- and the series should be supportive of him. I've followed the series more closely since TG was ousted a couple of years ago- I couldn't bring myself to watch it much before
TG added a few street races, but not close to what the series of today is.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop