Who thinks Schumacher finally should retire?

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Originally Posted by henners88

To me Senna had the perfect mindset of being utterly ruthless with the balls to admit his actions or intent. He was far from the perfect driver though and like anyone he was human with misjudgements and mistakes. I like to see arrogance in a driver.

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That is what has been great about Lewis he has that attitude, however like Senna and to maybe a greater extent, he has gotten himself mixed up in incidents at times.

Give him a car that is one of the best and he can lift himself above the rest.

Alonso is the same he is brilliantly talent, aggressive and consistant. He does not seem to get involved in incidents as much which is better, however he has a latin hot headedness and that is a weakness.


Vettel and Schumacher are largely similar, in that in a perfect car that works for them they are untouchable. Their ability to open up gaps in the first few laps and around pit stops, and team tactics get them ahead.

Schumacher is struggling, and I see this as his last season.

Has anyone also noticed when things don't go Vettels way, he acts like a little kid and throws his dollies out the pram?
Like Schumacher did, and still does.

I think Schumacher will hang his helmet by the end of this season. He's not as competitive as he used to be.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

There has never been a perfect driver in F1, despite what some Senna fans would have you believe...

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Agreed, I dont believe there is such a thing as a perfect driver, whether its Senna or the Shoe. The Shoe especially, if you ask Verstappen :p I wonder what hapenned with those supposed electronic aids...?

Not to take anything away from The Shoe, I still hope to see him on the podium before he retires.

Anyway, as the saying goes, a driver is only as good as his last race(exept in Massas case, where its about the last five races :D or maybe more, I loose count) and if he does get a good result, especially if it comes at the time to renew his contract, then maybe he will stay.

Well, notwithstanding his goof-up on Sunday, he's been closer to Nico this season. I'm utterly amazed at his pace, especially given the talent level of not only the drivers but the teams. Plus, the guy is flat old. Still quick, still fit.

I've never cheered for him and probably never will, but I will also never deprecate his stunning, unmatched resume.

It would be nice to keep this thread on-topic, I think.

There seems to be something inexorable going on with Schumacher, and it's because of his age. If he had had the same luck and bad judgement that Hamilton has had in the last year we probably wouldn't even be talking about him. But with Hamilton there has always been the feeling in the background that he can turn it around, that there's time to improve, re-focus and re-group. And Hamilton's showing signs of it. Wth Schumacher there's a feeling that the last grains of sand are slipping through the neck of the bottle.

At the circuit on Sunday they broadcast the radio messages on the loudspeakers, and when I heard the "What an idiot!" comment I assumed it was Senna talking, and I thought "he's got some ba**s to say that about a seven times WDC. But from Schumacher it just seems like the rantings of the old man down the street, just like his comments about Pirelli recently.

Things are so close now in F1, though, that it's not inconceivable that it all comes together for him in Monaco and he wins. However, everyone feels that, unlike the younger guys, he'll never get back to the level he was at in the past. If he could just have one really good result this year, and then call it a day, everyone would feel a lot more comfortable.

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Originally Posted by lotus rules

negative- fangio was the best, great driver and a gentleman; 5 world championships in dangerous cars and he did it in his forties. even schumi says that.

schumi has to go, he blew it by coming back; he never was that good of a driver - he just benefitted from a great car and a skewed points sytem. plus he has an ego the size of australia. those three years he spent in "retirement" were three great years of racing. get rid of him!

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Ridiculous. I never saw Fangio but it is well documented that he was top driver at the teams he drove, plus he always jumped ship to be in the top car, plus, while the racing was very dangerous, physically it was not as hard as today and the sport were less professional. In conclusion - Fangio undoubtedly is one of the best ever, even the best ever, maybe, but if you want, you can diminish every achievement, like you are doing with the case of Michael Schumacher. And sorry, but it was obvious that he is very fast and talented - both in his championship years and in the late 90s. Now, he is simply well past his prime.

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Originally Posted by fandango

. But from Schumacher it just seems like the rantings of the old man down the street, just like his comments about Pirelli recently.

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Schumacher finally had the balls to speak up, thankfully other drivers are beginning to gain some testicular fortitude as well and are going to speak up about those joke tyres.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't think its a case of him having more balls than other drivers because lets face it most of them are pretty vocal when things happen they dislike. I think its more a case of Schumacher struggling more than most and venting his frustration at the tyres because he is unable to adapt fully. The balls in Schumachers case made their way swiftly to his forehead in Practice for the last race where he slowed down on the apex of the final chicane when he thought he had been held up by Hamilton and tried to make his point. He nearly caused an unnecessary accident and demonstrated he is a man under immense pressure.

Spain 2012 - Schumacher's Weekend - Video Dailymotion

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Actually, there hasn't been much wrong with his performances this year - He sucked bigtime in 2010, was better in 2011 and is even better now. He hasn't been slower than Rosberg (with the exception of China), just bad things have happened. His only fault so far has really been the crash with Senna, otherwise he has had mechanical problems and collisions caused by other drivers.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I agree he's been better, but that could all have been overshadowed by the idiotic move posted above. Cutting out a chicane so he could hinder Hamilton's exit at the final corner?! Thats bonehead stuff if ever I saw it. Missing his braking point and being indecisive behind Senna is just one of those things, a racing incident IMO. Giving him a 5 place grid penalty was harsh IMO in that instance but the practice incident deserved just that.

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I agree really. The collision was just one of those things which happen sometimes in hard racing.

But the move on Hamilton was just not needed. Whatever reason is given from both sides it wasn't needed.

In other races this season he has had rotten luck.