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18th February 2012, 16:53
dimviii

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Originally Posted by WRCS14

I agree with Dimvii also, I read an article on Jarris Portugal car produced from Ford official maybe but I recall the article had maybe an Environmental angle too it, i.e. look at us we nearly destroy a rally car but then we recycle it back into a brand new one sort of thing.

I think some one else said in this case it would probably be easier to take a new shell and build it to new WRC spec, than to put 4 men taking this car apart for a few days, then cutting out the broken roll cags and then spend some many more days re patching in new bars. I dont think Mr Wilson carries out too many activities that dont make financial sense.

Plus after all the rolling over so many times the supsension mounting points have been flexed and even slightly changed, if this was a private customer then yes they would probably say just patch the car up and get it back together so I can re-use it or sell it. I think a factory level company would want everything on the car perfectly alligned and un-stressed.

there is NOT ONE piece of this car you can use again.As you can see from photo,there is no ONE piece of roll cage you can use to repair.
That m-sport wants to use this for marketing reasons is another point.There is not the first time, we are going to read a bs press release from them,trying to present the white as black.Its better to use their brain to win,instead to support, that they repair this debris to a right wrc car.At the same time they sell new chassis to their customers because of ''rebuild necessary''
18th February 2012, 17:16
Viking

Probably an publicity stunt by M-Sport, they wanted to show that they could repaire it, not that it was smart to do so...

Safe landing
18th February 2012, 18:22
janvanvurpa

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Originally Posted by kiil

Just referring what we were told :-) It takes about 1000 man hours to just do the shell. The Focus was built from a naked floor pan. They then added most of the roll cage, and then put on all the panels around the floor pan and cage.

And its 80 thousand, not 800 thousand, still crazy money though :-)

You know I have a book in my hand that is called "How to Prepare the Sierra for Motorsport..
In it it says ""as a guide it may take more than 100 hours to prepare a bodyshell to this spec.."
Stitch welded, reinforced, caged...

Sierra 100+ hours
Fawk-us 1000+ hours.

How? (I have prepare and caged a fair number of body shells) How 1000hrs?
Somebody taking the name of the car too seriously? Fawk-us?
18th February 2012, 18:56
Viking

Subaru/Prodrive said back in the days, chassis preparation before painting, 650 man hours, complete car 1400.
18th February 2012, 18:58
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Viking

Subaru/Prodrive said back in the days, chassis preparation before painting, 650 man hours, complete car 1400.

tte for corolla wrc just for chassis 400 hours they claimed.
18th February 2012, 19:12
kiil

I've seen the stuff they care to repair, both at Msport and Prodrive, and believe me, it has to be very very very damaged to not be repaired. If it takes 1000 hours to prepare a new shell, then it makes perfectly sense to spend 500 or 600 repairing one.

This gallery tells you something about the amount of hours that will be spend to repair a damaged WRC shell:

http://gallery.me.com/b.munster#1003...r=black&sel=29
18th February 2012, 23:12
adr17

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Originally Posted by dimviii

So you think that THIS chassis because of fia lockwired can be repaired.lololololololololololololol
and the cost will be less than building a new one.lolololololololololol
http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urh...009/670264.jpg

lets face facts

so all of your guys making these posts are qualified bodyshell technicians in wrc ? no do you work in any wrc teams so actually have first hand knowledge ? no , basically all you do is sit on the internet talking crap that you know nothing about !

do i work for said wrc team ? yes , have i ever seen a wrc shell scrapped ? no did i see jari s car on the jig getting repaired ? yes , did you guys? no but your still commentint about it like your gods . i seen many shells with main hoop being replaced and the fia dont lockwire seals on the shell muppet its a barcoded seal stuck to the tube in 4 differnt points ( and before you say it you cant remove it and stick it back on as it falls apart when removed )

you forget malcolm wilson was a scrapyard owner before m-sport so literally will throw nothing away

when you actually know things for a fact then you can comminent on things
18th February 2012, 23:17
adr17

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Originally Posted by kiil

I've seen the stuff they care to repair, both at Msport and Prodrive, and believe me, it has to be very very very damaged to not be repaired. If it takes 1000 hours to prepare a new shell, then it makes perfectly sense to spend 500 or 600 repairing one.

This gallery tells you something about the amount of hours that will be spend to repair a damaged WRC shell:

MobileMe Gallery

even though you got pictures dimviii hasnt comfirmed its been repaired because he knows better than you even though he s never been near a wrc shell shop
19th February 2012, 09:49
dimviii

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Originally Posted by adr17

lets face facts

so all of your guys making these posts are qualified bodyshell technicians in wrc ? no do you work in any wrc teams so actually have first hand knowledge ? no , basically all you do is sit on the internet talking crap that you know nothing about !

Some guys from here can adjust sequential gear boxes,repair a dog-box,have prepared more chassis than you,can adjust a 4 way suspension at their drivers requests,and can tweek an antilag map in a motec or a pectel.Can you?

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Originally Posted by adr17

do i work for said wrc team ? yes , have i ever seen a wrc shell scrapped ? no did i see jari s car on the jig getting repaired ? yes , did you guys? no but your still commentint about it like your gods . i seen many shells with main hoop being replaced and the fia dont lockwire seals on the shell muppet its a barcoded seal stuck to the tube in 4 differnt points ( and before you say it you cant remove it and stick it back on as it falls apart when removed )

That you work for a wrc team doesn t proof that you have better knowledge.At wrc teams they have also gardeners,cookers,lorry drivers.Some guys from here have rally teams with 3-4 cars,they dont just ''work for a wrc team''.So dont try to impress us that you work for a wrc team. If you were a proffesional bodyshell tecnician,you would now that this car needs much more hours to make it a proper car when you have to replace 80-90% of the shell.Trying to streighten this havoc with such a welded cage is stupid even regardless of cost.Thats why at your customers just for rebuild you quote e new chassis muppet.And that is not the only case i know for a replacement chassis at rebuild.
Ford Fiesta S2000 - 750 BDK

so what damage had this chassis you quote for replacement?Was it at worst condition than Jaris car?Show us the damage from this chassis wrc employ!!

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Originally Posted by adr17

you forget malcolm wilson was a scrapyard owner before m-sport so literally will throw nothing away !

thats right,this chassis only a scrapyard would repair it.

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Originally Posted by adr17

when you actually know things for a fact then you can comminent on things

Doubt it that you know what are you talking.Just support your boss marketing tricks .
19th February 2012, 10:02
dimviii

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urh...009/670264.jpg

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Originally Posted by adr17

even though you got pictures dimviii hasnt comfirmed its been repaired because he knows better than you even though he s never been near a wrc shell shop

you work at a wrc team and you compare the damage,the man hours,and the spares cost between these 2 cars? Oh dear....
http://gallery.me.com/b.munster/1003...12511095260002

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