O/T The V8s are coming!

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Lee Roy is on an anti IRL screed and it is obvious when he tries to post over there and he wonders why he gets a hot reception?

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I know that, I just have to pick at him when he gives me a chance...He does the same to me... It's all good.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I float between the two, and I love both forms of racing pretty much equally. I have never been told I couldn't post what I posted on either...and I more or less respect the basic idea of two separate threads....

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Me too. Yeah, I'm a bigger Nascar fan than an Indy car fan, but you can really blame the split for that. I didn't watch it (Indy Car) for many years after 1994. But I am coming back around, and I rarely (if ever) miss a race any more.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

And I don't mind dragging in the Aussie v8's....because once people see them live in Texas, They are going to have fans over here that haven't completely bought in from watching them on TV.

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Amen to that. I hope Darby, Pemberton and co. have a chance to watch the race as well. They may learn something.

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Originally Posted by slorydn1

Ok. NASCAR, which is based on parity, is kicking everyone's butt in the dirt except for F1.

Is that factual enough?

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NASCAR success has zero to do with parity, and at that both fans and drivers have loudly criticized what parity attempts have done to the racing, to the point NASCAR redid the cot vehicles.
NASCAR was going to do parity with generic engines and Detroit told them you do we leave.
So much for parity having any positive impact on racing.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

NASCAR success has zero to do with parity, and at that both fans and drivers have loudly criticized what parity attempts have done to the racing, to the point NASCAR redid the cot vehicles.
NASCAR was going to do parity with generic engines and Detroit told them you do we leave.
So much for parity having any positive impact on racing.

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Don't confuse 'em with facts.

Changing a nose and replacing a wing with a spoiler does not qualify as redoing a car.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Changing a nose and replacing a wing with a spoiler does not qualify as redoing a car.

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Amazing how you figure that one.

OK, they are the same, only totally different/

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

NASCAR success has zero to do with parity, and at that both fans and drivers have loudly criticized what parity attempts have done to the racing, to the point NASCAR redid the cot vehicles.
NASCAR was going to do parity with generic engines and Detroit told them you do we leave.
So much for parity having any positive impact on racing.

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We have parity. All the engines are dyno'ed and come up within 5hp of each other. On 800 hp plus motors, that aint much. The cars are for all intensive purposes identical. I haven't seen really a massive loss of interest in the racing the COT provides. Hell, everyone bitched about aeropush with old cars, but the new ones seem to be a little better for it...not a whole lot mind you.

For a series that is supposed to have cars that are all the same, the selection of a chasis for a race wouldn't mean anything to a team, would it.

Oh but it does seem to.

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Maybe somebody at the race teams should tell the engineers and team managers that a bunch of "google geniuses" on an internet racing forum says their cars are all the same and to quit wasting time and money trying to build cars for certain tracks.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

We have parity. All the engines are dyno'ed and come up within 5hp of each other. On 800 hp plus motors, that aint much. The cars are for all intensive purposes identical. I haven't seen really a massive loss of interest in the racing the COT provides. Hell, everyone bitched about aeropush with old cars, but the new ones seem to be a little better for it...not a whole lot mind you.

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Where did you get that idea from?
Gee, if they are all the same, then how come Ford has a new engine?
Chevy brought out its RO7, only four years ago, its first purpose built push-rod racing engine, because why?
I know they want to spend a huge amount of money to get the same horse power they had.
How come Toyota did now win right out of the box, after all you say they are all the same?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Where did you get that idea from?
Gee, if they are all the same, then how come Ford has a new engine?
Chevy brought out its RO7, only four years ago, its first purpose built push-rod racing engine, because why?
I know they want to spend a huge amount of money to get the same horse power they had.
How come Toyota did now win right out of the box, after all you say they are all the same?

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IRL fans try to make themselves feel better about their de-tuned crate motors by trying to make silly claims about NASCAR engines being all the same. If there were no gains to be made why do the top teams have huge engine programs?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Amazing how you figure that one.

OK, they are the same, only totally different/

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This is a car.

http://www.stockcarscience.com/images/PON_Chassis.gif

What was changed? Two body parts that had no major effect on downforce. By your definition, painting a pink clown on the hood completly changes a car.