TV figures Drivers more Visible for Viewers Start Number - Todt

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Originally Posted by Mark

Also if you have different sponsors on each of the cars that brings with it a conflict of interest. Did the driver have to move aside to let the other win for sporting or financial reasons?

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Win???

No but for sponsorship, I could see them fussing about blocking the view, and which side is more visible on TV


Another thing is that with the older simple helmet color designs, the driver was far more easily identifiable.

For example, Denny Hulme's helmet white with two stripes, Surtees helmet, white and the blue lines, Gurney's helmet was all black, graham Hill was black with the white "whatever" and so on.

Very distinctive and stood out even on TV from a distance.

Today, the helmets are all sorts of colors, some of which I like, but they are not distinctive from any distance nor on TV except in real close up shots

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Summer of 69??? ;)

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yeah, that was her name........

Here's a question: how many of you use the T-camera colours to identify cars? As far as I can tell many people aren't even aware that there's a colour code.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Here's a question: how many of you use the T-camera colours to identify cars? As far as I can tell many people aren't even aware that there's a colour code.

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I do when I can remember which car has which color......which is seldom, very seldom

I was waiting to see if anybody would mention this, cause it seems not to be all that great except for the teams internal use

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Here's a question: how many of you use the T-camera colours to identify cars? As far as I can tell many people aren't even aware that there's a colour code.

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Yes I struggle to remember which way round the drivers are for each team. However I would expect the TV commentators and producers to be well schooled on that, it's their job after all.

Having looked at a few pictures it seems the "first" driver in each team has red and the "second" has yellow. I hadn't figured out before that it was consistent in that way. I guess it doesn't help that some teams don't really have a first and second driver, and others try to claim they don't.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Would anybody strongly object to teams' cars running different liveries, as BAR were proposing when they first entered?

http://atlasf1.autosport.com/news/1999/images/bar3.jpg

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No. Diversity is good!

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Would anybody strongly object to teams' cars running different liveries, as BAR were proposing when they first entered?

http://atlasf1.autosport.com/news/1999/images/bar3.jpg

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I really wouldn't like this, each team should have a distinct, uniform livery for both cars. That's the problem with IndyCar and NASCAR, for the casual viewer it's hard to tell who is in the same team. However, like IndyCar large numbers should be situated on the rear wing endplates, as well as having them enlarged on the nosecone. Driver's names somewhere on the sides, either the sidepod or side of the engine cover would also be good, like Mclaren did a few years ago with DC and Kimi.

why dont they just write the name of the driver?????

Opps, I know and now before Ioan says, "Hey, stupid, don't you know every friiggiing inch is valuable space for ad money? Same for all those big numbers painted on cars!! People need to see those ads and not be distracted by unimportant things like who is drivng the car!!!"

Thanks Ioan. Hope you do not get banned for calling me "stupid". Remeber, truth is not a defense.......

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Would anybody strongly object to teams' cars running different liveries, as BAR were proposing when they first entered?

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The decision by the FIA to forbid different liveries within the same team within its Formula 1 World Championship was of such pettiness and so spiteful that if one did no know better, it would have been mistaken for for Python routine. It was a decision which reflected -- and still reflects -- the colossal stupidity that governs Formula 1.

The knuckleheads running F1 seem to be incapable of finding their way out of a wet paper bag as their many inept actions over the years can attest.

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Originally Posted by Don Capps

The decision by the FIA to forbid different liveries within the same team within its Formula 1 World Championship was of such pettiness and so spiteful that if one did no know better, it would have been mistaken for for Python routine. It was a decision which reflected -- and still reflects -- the colossal stupidity that governs Formula 1.

The knuckleheads running F1 seem to be incapable of finding their way out of a wet paper bag as their many inept actions over the years can attest.

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I don't think the FIA were being their usual idiotic self with that decision. F1 is a team sport and teams should be easily identifiable. Should different positions on a football team wear different jerseys? I don't think so.

F1 can learn some things from US racing: large numbers, drivers/teams owning numbers, fan access to drivers etc, but seperate liveries for each car isn't one of them.