Pirelli

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Originally Posted by ioan

What is really funny is how Pirelli's tires aren't only softer, with higher wear ratio, but also slower than last years softest Bridgestones!

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You're completely missing the point.

Consistent don't necessarily make good races. The whole palaver is band aid. The blame shouldn't be pointed at Pirelli but rather the FIA for the tyre regs and insisting using both compounds in the race.

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Originally Posted by wedge

You're completely missing the point.

Consistent don't necessarily make good races. The whole palaver is band aid. The blame shouldn't be pointed at Pirelli but rather the FIA for the tyre regs and insisting using both compounds in the race.

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Maglev - that's your answer. Dispence with tyres completely, then Pirelli can concentrate on building the conveyor belts for supermarket checkouts and baggage reclaim.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If fear it will be; who's tyre goes bang first.

What Pirelli ought to have done is thus;

Construct a tyre that can last the entire race, but the performance of which tails off with every lap - but not a tyre that throws up marbles, or degrades and blisters because it is too soft.

Then, you get the tyre sympathisers who can make a longer stint work, and the racers who can live with the extra stop.

Not this lame excuse of "well, the tyres may be falling apart round our ears, but that's what we were told to do' nonsense.

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Essentially , the difference is that you prefer a one or no stop race , and I would prefer a race that is a two or three stops .

The tires are the only real outside influence that the FIA can have on the cars , as it is the only real standard equipment .
The are the part that touches the asphalt , and one of the mandates , along with improving overtaking , is to slow them down .
A constantly improving tire , due to competition , actually hurts the competition , if one company gets a significant edge .
With a single make , in Pirelli , they have found a company that was willing to take some stick for making a tire that is , indeed , inferior to the predecessor , until the race fan realizes the action and strategy that will need to be employed to get to the top step .

I think everyone is going to quickly forget how "crappy" these tire are when the action starts , or , at least praise thier "crappyness" for the inspired strategies and heroic drives we may see as a result .



Of course , with these stupid moveable wings and the restrictive regs regarding them , we're more likely to be involved in talk about accidents and protests .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Essentially , the difference is that you prefer a one or no stop race , and I would prefer a race that is a two or three stops .

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Not really. I enjoy the strategy element more now that re-fuelling is dispensed with. Even the kindest driver on his tyres will need to make at least one stop just to stay in the game (and would anyway due to the compound use rule), whereas the racer can essentially chew up his tyres for performance but take the hit of the extra stop(s).

I think Pirelli were the wrong choice, and this is borne out by their degrading tyres. Michelin, who have a proven track record across the entire spectrum of motorsports, were to use this oppotunity to develop their economy range of tyres - with specific relevance to road car transference. This is something Michelin have pioneered, which I personally think is a great idea. Do you know anyone who wants to go to Kwik Fit and buy some tyres that'll shred half way up the Old Kent Road?????

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Not really. I enjoy the strategy element more now that re-fuelling is dispensed with. Even the kindest driver on his tyres will need to make at least one stop just to stay in the game (and would anyway due to the compound use rule), whereas the racer can essentially chew up his tyres for performance but take the hit of the extra stop(s).

I think Pirelli were the wrong choice, and this is borne out by their degrading tyres. Michelin, who have a proven track record across the entire spectrum of motorsports, were to use this oppotunity to develop their economy range of tyres - with specific relevance to road car transference. This is something Michelin have pioneered, which I personally think is a great idea. Do you know anyone who wants to go to Kwik Fit and buy some tyres that'll shred half way up the Old Kent Road?????

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You state that you like a range between one and three stops .
I like that , too , and believe , as you seem to , that it is what will happen .
So , why hate on Pirelli when it seems they may give you what you want ?

"Degrading tyres" are what they were asked for on the track .

It is not what they are asked for on the road , so your second paragraph seems completely irrelevent .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

You state that you like a range between one and three stops .
I like that , too , and believe , as you seem to , that it is what will happen .
So , why hate on Pirelli when it seems they may give you what you want ?

"Degrading tyres" are what they were asked for on the track .

It is not what they are asked for on the road , so your second paragraph seems completely irrelevent .

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I doubt we will see 1 stop races given the degradation rate of the Pirelli tires. More like 3 or more stops.

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Originally Posted by wedge

You're completely missing the point.

Consistent don't necessarily make good races. The whole palaver is band aid. The blame shouldn't be pointed at Pirelli but rather the FIA for the tyre regs and insisting using both compounds in the race.

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So now is the FIA's fault that Pirelli make chewing gum consistency tires?
The rules were the same last year and Bridgestone did great.

Most of us already knew what to expect from Pirelli, they never suprprize when it come to producing so so competition tires.

And BTW, the point that I am missing is about having the tires be the decisive factor in F1 racing?!
No thanks.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I doubt we will see 1 stop races given the degradation rate of the Pirelli tires. More like 3 or more stops.

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We saw Michael win a four stopper once , and it was exciting , as I recall .

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Originally Posted by ioan

So now is the FIA's fault that Pirelli make chewing gum consistency tires?
The rules were the same last year and Bridgestone did great.

Most of us already knew what to expect from Pirelli, they never suprprize when it come to producing so so competition tires.

And BTW, the point that I am missing is about having the tires be the decisive factor in F1 racing?!
No thanks.

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It's how you deal with the challenge of tire wear that will determine the championship , not the tires , themselves .
That's about car and driver . The challenge is the same for all .

They are aware that they are producing too many marbles right now , and they will adjust accordingly , before the season begins .

But , then teams will still complain , as they should , until they find how to take advantage , and then they will be silent .

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Originally Posted by ioan

So now is the FIA's fault that Pirelli make chewing gum consistency tires?
The rules were the same last year and Bridgestone did great.

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Didn't you know about the Tender process?

Oh well, lets just slag them off anyway :)