Arizona Congresswoman Wounded; Several Killed by Gunman

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8th January 2011, 22:13
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Well enough is know about this guy now that it can be safely said he is a deranged loon, just like a Mark David Chapman or any of the other names we have in our society who have killed for no rational reason someone who is "famous". His anti government nonsense on You Tube was not even identifiable as having a point, which says to me he wouldn't know where to buy Iced Tea, much less be a member of the Tea Party.

Lets just chalk this up to a mentally unstable man with a gun on the loose and taking advantage of an opportunty to make himself famous... This guy isn't left or right, just nuts...

Enough is known about him now? How, with respect, can you say that? Were you there? Did you know him? Have you been interviewing him in the aftermath of his arrest? Are you privy to his innermost thoughts? Or have you merely watched a few hours' worth of news coverage and drawn your views from that?
8th January 2011, 22:17
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Enough is known about him now? How, with respect, can you say that? Were you there? Did you know him? Have you been interviewing him in the aftermath of his arrest? Are you privy to his innermost thoughts? Or have you merely watched a few hours' worth of news coverage and drawn your views from that?

Go watch his video's on You Tube. I don't have the link, but if that is any indication of where this guy's mind is at, you wont disagree.....
8th January 2011, 22:22
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Go watch his video's on You Tube. I don't have the link, but if that is any indication of where this guy's mind is at, you wont disagree.....

I would not presume to suggest I knew anything about anyone from watching some videos on YouTube.
8th January 2011, 22:23
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would not presume to suggest I knew anything about anyone from watching some videos on YouTube.

Normally I wouldn't either....but I think I can safely say from this, it is evidence the elevator didn't go to the top.
8th January 2011, 22:27
Mark in Oshawa

The point is Ben, too many people have tried to pin this on the Tea Party movement, as if all anyone in the movement wanted to do was shoot liberal politicans. A New Jersey paper I saw online had a headline stating "is Palin responsible?" Seriously, a lot of people have to get in off the ledge and look at the guy and realize he is like many of the psycho's, an opportunist with a whacked agenda that on he gets.
8th January 2011, 22:28
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Normally I wouldn't either....but I think I can safely say from this, it is evidence the elevator didn't go to the top.

Well, that seems to be the issue settled. Why bother with a trial when we can all come to a verdict just like that?
8th January 2011, 22:30
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

The point is Ben, too many people have tried to pin this on the Tea Party movement, as if all anyone in the movement wanted to do was shoot liberal politicans. A New Jersey paper I saw online had a headline stating "is Palin responsible?" Seriously, a lot of people have to get in off the ledge and look at the guy and realize he is like many of the psycho's, an opportunist with a whacked agenda that on he gets.

I would agree wholeheartedly with what the BBC's North America editor Mark Mardell has had to say on the matter, in a very balanced piece indeed on the BBC website.

'We do not, as I write, know what lies behind the shooting of a Democratic congresswoman and others in Arizona at a political meeting.

But it is an indication of the febrile, volatile nature of politics in America that, immediately the news broke, the internet was alive with anger, a dispute between the left and the right.

The congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords, had been one of 20 names on a "hit list" issued by Sarah Palin, complete with graphics of a rifle-like telescopic sight. Ms Palin, of course, meant that she was to be targeted by voters in the mid-term elections.

But after the shooting, Ms Palin's Facebook site was filled with people blaming her for creating the atmosphere where this could happen. Equally, Twitter was full of right-wingers accusing the left of reacting before they knew the facts, or even blaming the left for the shooting.

Sarah Palin has issued a statement saying: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.

"On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

President Barack Obama has also put out a statement, calling the shooting an "unspeakable tragedy", adding: "We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

This shooting may or may not have anything at all to do with politics. But it has become part of the political story already.'
8th January 2011, 22:58
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So you believe the way in which the modern rolling news media strive amongst themselves to be the first to report a death toll, for instance, is entirely acceptable and appropriate, even when it leads to premature and incorrect reporting? A perfect example was Sky News' Kay Burley on 11 September 2001, stating: 'If you're just joining us, the entire eastern seaboard of the United States has been decimated by a terrorist attack'. Personally, I would prefer the truth to be known before it is reported, but perhaps I'm old-fashioned in this regard.

No- in this case- having switched between two sources, one made sure to repeatedly state nothing they said was absolute they were only going by what they were being told; the other, did no such thing, and repeatedly politicized the event from the get-go.

One did it correctly, and the other showed an agenda.
I can only loathe to imagine, what MSNBC was doing.

I turned off the TV and turned on a radio station where a talk-show host was first on the liberal show that preceded hers, she is conservative, and then on her own, brought on another show-host.
She asked her audience, to call in over break, whether they wanted to continue with discussing the shooting or go to her preplanned subjects.
Obviously as she brought in the guest, they preferred to hear of the shooting.

She said to her guest that she did not want to politicize the shooting but her guest said it was too late that, that had already started and to pretend other wise was naive.

NOW- that this will be covered continually, to the point that other news, equally or more important, will ignored, that is disgusting.
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I no longer have source to foreign, news outlets, at least in a breaking-news format but I am interested to hear how they will cover this; espcially the Financial Times.

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Only in a convoluted, or in a deliberate manner with an agenda, could Sarah Palin, in any manner, be said to be linked to this even in even the slightest manner.

His web sight- is said to say- that he was a fan of the Communist Manifesto and Fascist Party literature.
Why did the BBC not mention that?
8th January 2011, 23:03
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

No- in this case- having switched between two sources, one made sure to repeatedly state nothing they said was absolute they were only going by what they were being told; the other, did no such thing, and repeatedly politicized the event from the get-go.

One did it correctly, and the other showed an agenda.
I can only loathe to imagine, what MSNBC was doing.

I turned off the TV and turned on a radio station where a talk-show host was first on the liberal show that preceded hers, she is conservative, and then on her own, brought on another show-host.
She asked her audience, to call in over break, whether they wanted to continue with discussing the shooting or go to her preplanned subjects.
Obviously as she brought in the guest, they preferred to hear of the shooting.

She said to her guest that she did not want to politicize the shooting but her guest said it was too late that, that had already started and to pretend other wise was naive.

NOW- that this will be covered continually, to the point that other news, equally or more important, will ignored, that is disgusting.

Can you honestly say that you would have posted all of the above had it been a Republican politician who had been shot? I ask that question entirely seriously.
8th January 2011, 23:09
Bob Riebe

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Can you honestly say that you would have posted all of the above had it been a Republican politician who had been shot? I ask that question entirely seriously.

Absolutely.

Although in a morbid speculation, it would be interesting to somehow know how it would have been handled had the victim been a conservative.

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