What makes a person a citizen

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Serving in the US military is a privilege not a right.

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You're preaching to the choir. This **** ain't easy, but I love it.

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If you truly have never committed a crime then you must be legally in the US so what is the problem?

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I think you're digressing from the point. The fact of the matter is that being born in the U.S. will no longer guarantee citizenship if your parent's are illegal immigrants. That would be a tweak to the 14th Amendment and certainly skew the lives of many Americans.

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Stop using that term. It is homophobic and just displays your lack to tolerance to those who disagree with you.

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I'm just merely using a term that the Tea Party used to describe themselves. Seriously, I saw it on a protester's poster a while ago and it made me laugh in the middle of lecture. They caught on to the err of their ways, but it's left an indelible mark in my mind. One last thing, calling me homophobic could be NOT be further from the truth. The reversal of DADT has been a Godsend since my campus will now formally recognize ROTC at our university. Frat house baby! :D

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

A state has no authority to bestow or take away citizenship as it is a Federal(Constitutional) law.

A state can bestow or take away state residency which is different. Some states grant state benefits to Illegals such as College tuition rates and housing.

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I see your point but I imagine that the right wing in America are gearing up for a battle on this issue. Does it surprise you that the states mentioned are the one's that are always to the right?

Was it from SC where the senator shouted at the President and called him a liar at the SOTU speech? Real class act that guy :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I think you inadvertently proved my point. What would I be designated during that limbo period before receiving citizenship? Since my parent's are now citizens this won't affect me, but you shouldn't turn a blind eye to the people who surround you. Might be an offspring of illegal immigrants who are actually causing this country to prosper and not the other way around.

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If your parents are legal you are legal unless they gained it after your 21st birthday, after which, (at least it was in the seventies, as I had a school mate who had to choose) you should have the choice of which country you want to be a citizen of.
My friend had to choose between Canada and the U.S.

No I do not know what he chose as I never saw him after graduation.

As far as the illegals benefiting the U.S., that is pushing skewed logic to the extreme.
Serving in the military SHOULD cause automatic citizenship if chosen, but last time I looked they tacked the asinine addition of if you went to college-- you get citizenship.
To relate servingin the military as the same as going to school, (in Minn. probably at tax payers expense) as a similar standard, is absolute insult to anyone who serves or served.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

Real class act that guy :rolleyes:

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Truth hurts.
Obama is a two-faced lying classless jack-ass.

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

I think the strategy is to deny the newborn a birth certificate. Birth certificates are given by states, and the hospitals, just like mine say:
Doctors Hospital Coral Gables FLA.

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and includes The Seal of The Great State of Florida, and a signature (or stamp reproduction) of a duly designated representative thereof.
This is the document that the Federal Government recognizes as the official record of birth within the U.S.A.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

I see your point but I imagine that the right wing in America are gearing up for a battle on this issue. Does it surprise you that the states mentioned are the one's that are always to the right?

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I am in favor of a constitutional amendment stripping the children of illegals of any claim to citizenship.

There is no reason why if the parents are deported why the children cannot go with them. And once the children of Illegals reach their teens they are well aware that they are breaking the law so they are as guilty as the parents.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

Was it from SC where the senator shouted at the President and called him a liar at the SOTU speech? Real class act that guy :rolleyes:

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No less of a class act than the President Lying in the State of the Union Speech.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Truth hurts.
Obama is a two-faced lying classless jack-ass.

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What has he lied about? Specifically, please.

No less of a class act than the President Lying in the State of the Union Speech.[/quote]

A sitting representative of a state calling the President of your country a liar is forgivable in probably the most important speech a president gives once a year.

I shudder at where America is going. It is a sorry thought when you consider the ramifications of the accrued debt of the country and the inability to pay it off. Then of course you have the finger pointing in the wrong direction because of political expediency.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

What has he lied about? Specifically, please.

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Look upn his campaign promises, bingo.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

What has he lied about? Specifically, please.

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In that particular instance Obama said:

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“There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally”

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There is no provision in the Obamacare Bill that calls for a check on the immigration or citizenship status of anyone in the program.
It was his Bill so yes, he lied!!!