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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
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bingo, Sorry Schmenke, now the thread can be closed. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Coming to this forum has enlightened me to the obtuse nature of certain people. Janvanvurpa, what on earth or why would you compare firearm killings to motor vehicle killings? The fact that you have even deemed that they are analogous is saddening.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I should not have to explain to you why they are incomparable. You should know, and not be a victim of the NRA and it's dumb slogans that make people seem absolutely ignorant and irrational.
Motor vehicles are used to transport.
Guns are weapons designed to harm.
Have you ever seen a person shot in the stomach? I have. I have seen the effects on the patient,family and the reprecussions of the act of discharging a gun with the intent to kill. Perpatrator was sentenced to 25 years. Wasted life. If the gun was not there they would not have had a conflict that escalated. Oh, and just in case you believe it was an illegal weapon. It wasn't. Not gang members. In fact both were professionals.
I have also had the experience of a near fatal automobile accident on many occassions.
Cars crash. No intent. People going to specific destinations with a single purpose.
Now, explain again why you believe that there is an analogy other than the fact that MANY ACCIDENTS occur in cars.
Hey Shylock, for someone of who claims to posses a high degree of intellect, I find it more than a little amusing, and plain stupid that you trash out a guy that is trying to substantiate your posture in this discussion. What a foolish reply, or is it simply a defense mechanism?Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
Maybe you would just prefer to argue with anyone whether they agree with you or not. :rolleyes: :laugh:
This is getting moronic.
Cars have been and are deliberately used to kill. Not what they are designed for but it happens.
Yes guns are designed to kill or wound. They are also used for target practice.
Even more so they are used to hunt for food to enable people to eat. That is very common where I live. I hunted for years and I and my family ate what we shot. That included my mother as a hunter.
In this area, less than 100 miles from Toronto, many people hunt and fish to put good food on the table. Otherwise they go to a food bank. That is degrading. I have come close.
We are a tourist area and in the winter many people who have jobs in the summer are out of work. Those jobs pay minimum wage or just above.
Wal Mart is infamous for part time workers so they do not have to pay benifits. They are only one of many. A neighbor was a dept. head but still classsified as part time.
If I was healthy enough I would still hunt. I am not. I even have days when I have to use a cane on level ground.
Up here farmers require guns to protect their farm animals. We have coyotes, timber wolfs and cougars although our MNR say we do not have the latter two. Their own field officers say we do but the official line is no. There are bears and maurauding fox plus very destructive to fowl, mink. Mink just kill.
Coyotes and worse Coydogs are very destructive.
Remember this starts within 40 miles of the GTA with a population of over 5 million.
It is quite common in my area for entire companies to close during deer or moose hunting seasons. A large moose can provide many high protein meals and tastes a lot better than Kraft Dinner.
Having seen plenty of graphic "not for circulation" photos of the effects of combat casualties when I was a kid I have been anti-war, anti-imperialist and advocate non-violence my whole life---or at least for the last 45+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
The figures from CDC were there soley to ridicule the imbecilic choice of words by the person I quoted--- He said the numbers killed is "minute'.
I showed his "minute" amounted to 75%.... and thus his lame attempt at dismissing the damage done to be extremely foolish...
For the record I was very active in motorcycle racing for a couple of decades and played rally on gravel after that for till now.
I have lost friends killed in both forms or racing.
I look at the leading cause of death of white males 16-24 in motor vehicle crashes to be a scandal, as i do that now with tires 5 times better, car design 5-8 times better, brakes 10 times better, outwards visibiltuy hugely improved over the mid 1960s when we in the US killed every year about 55-57,000----what it took 10 years of insane folly to kill that many Americans in SE Asia---that we still manage to slaughter 42,000+ and maim 100s of thousands more on our hi-ways
Madness.
But obviously the sheer numbers who die in pointless, usually stupid violence in the country is a point of National disgrace...
The rationalisations, ludicrous.
Only an idiot would try to whitewash it otherwise...
So don't chide me Glausie, I'm far ahead of you on this one.
(Again the point is obvious firearms are PRIMARILY built to kill living things---they may be used for other ends though, that is inarguable.
Cars may have once been built for transport---but people use them for other ends ie this is a motorsports forum after all., that is one thing people use cars and motorcyles for.
Fixating on the ostensible original intent is not a rewarding course to argue)
Your lack of self esteem is gradually wearing thin. I have never postured anything. I have posted to your dissatisfaction on topics that we disagree on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
You don't like my response then don't read it. Although, I do find it fascinating that a person such as you can write seven lines of tripe supposedly lambasting me whereas all you do is make yourself look a trifle foolish.
Mr Alcatraz or whomever you are, tell me , what does that series of words mean to you "substantiate your posture"? It's meaningless in the context you wrote it and in fact ,it appears very juvenile. Are you a juvenile,Alcatraz?
Reading your original post and then your response to mine is a little like reading the end of the book before the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
You never stated why you were drawing a comparison to the figures. That you now use the word "chide "with reference to me is laughable. It is your inept manner in relaying your point that caused my response and then you decide that it is me that is in someway responsible for not understanding your four lines of text to have a deeper meaning. The discussion is about guns.
Don't act as others with your high and mighty indignant posturing to impress others.
By the way. Where are you ahead of me, exactly? Is there a race or does your diatribe pertaining to your experience with car and motorcycle accidents morph mine while dealing with those you attribute to your singular awareness of the devastation caused by motor accidents. When you have experienced a gushing femoral artery twenty minutes after an accident or trying to react in a staid and placid manner trying to apply reason as to whether a subdural hematoma is occurring and the damage if one is incorrect.
So as you say, don't chide me, unless you have had the experience of someone in your care die and then have to tell the loved ones the waiting as you walk those God awful steps to deliver the news that would change the lives of many because you were not able to save one. Walk in those shoes and tell me how far you are ahead of me.
Hey Glaustein.Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
I have had to tell people that their best friend, my best friend, the man who introduced us before we were married had just died in a transit accident far far home and that was a shock..
And I've seen enough of my own blood gushing, and bone sticking out---I've been on the other side--in the hands of emergency medical personnel 15-20 times----and I know what its like on others
I don't feel compelled to explain every gawddam nuance of why I might write a response, particularly to the thick-head clots Right-wingers and Authoritarians here which most of the US members here are.
If you didn't notice the original reply was addressed to the anonymous "Starter" and if you didn't catch the open contempt for his referencing motor vehicle accidents in order to minimize gun violence, don't complain to me, Doc.
We don't compose treatises here, and I'll be honest, I don't have much interest in the childish concept of "debate"...the guy wrote something stupid, I made it clear how stupid it was.
Doc, I think you need to slow the fawk down with your attacking people until you can correctly draw correct conclusions on the intent of what somebody is referring or alluding to...particularly when they are agreeing with you...
Because here you have fawked up royally.
And Gawd help your patients and co-workers if you jump to conclusions and get as defensive so quickly as you have done on your one simple misunderstanding.
As to "ahead of you", I'm presuming I'm older than you, and presuming I was advocating non-violence before you.
And that included guns, AND cars as means of violent death.
Since you're a doctor---take a pill, relax a bit.
Think of all the ways the word Peace can be said...
I'm glad you asked :) . You are the one who's head it sailed over. But just to humor you I will reiterate. (Java) made a sarcastic reference to minute that he quoted from Starters post. You went right on blindly ( and ignorantly ) losing the implication. Then you proceed to attack his post as if he had agreed with the comment Starter made.Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
That was what I referred to as substantiating your posture. I suppose I could say that he was actually in more agreement than disagreement to your stated message but I used a phrase that was not all encompassing to your position. You still took it the wrong way, and I mentioned it. So you want to call me for using a less than absolutely lucid phrase. You need to lighten up Scro! You are grasping at straws.
As to how juvenile I act;
I have a Baseball players sense of humor something I acquired while competing at a very high level until I was 44 years old. I can find comedy in almost any situation It has nothing to do with my self esteem. I come on this forum to have fun period. The moderators know that. They also know I don't give a ratz a$$ if I get banned.
I hope that satiated your very thinly veiled attempt to try to make me look unaware.
BTW I have a BA in English Lit. Any attempt by you trying to take into question my command of the English language is absurd.
Now you may go back to your Manischewitz and Gefilte Fish. Shalom
BTW you do remind me of a character from "The Merchant of Venice"
reading this you probably should not be drivingQuote:
Originally Posted by glauistean