Please criticise this "Cry Baby" too...

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And you need to understand there is no distinction between what you accuse Fernando of and what the television proves Hamilton said.

None at all.

Only an unreasonable person would claim otherwise.

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You really can't (or won't) understand the distinction between literal quotes and their meanings, can you?

My friend drops a tray on my foot, and I say "I could bloody murder you sometimes", while laughing. Perfectly reasonable.

Would it be reasonable to report this, as the Mirror did, with a headline describing "Dave's fury"; and a story about how I planned to commit a violent crime? They could even quote me saying "I could bloody murder" my friend - after all, I did say those exact words.

It that still reasonable?

Or is context crucial?

Personally , had I been in Petrov's place , I would have expected the guy behind me , knowing he was fighting for the championship , and knowing I had just kept him from this goal , the ultimate in the sport , to be just a little ticked at not being able to get by me .
Remember , this guy is a rookie , and he's holding a guy with two WDCs at bay for half of the race .

He's , at the same time , thinking about how it's pushing his career forward to do so .

I would like to bring some disdain for the seemingly clueless reaction from Vitaly , lifting his hands as if to say "What ?" , when it was tragically obvious what the issue at hand was , in the moment .

I would have expected some sort of reaction from Fernando , and would have thrown an "I'm sorry , but I had to race ." , rather than a "Duh what did i do ?" his way .

He was a spoiler , just like Bernouldi in that Monaco race way back .
That shouldn't be the way Vitaly wants to be remembered ; too slow and in the way .


Fernando was mad , and has a latin temperament . I expected something , and also expected the respect he showed in the interview only a few minutes later .

Use Google to look-up the following: tongue-in-cheek.

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Personally , had I been in Petrov's place , I would have expected the guy behind me , knowing he was fighting for the championship , and knowing I had just kept him from this goal , the ultimate in the sport , to be just a little ticked at not being able to get by me .
Remember , this guy is a rookie , and he's holding a guy with two WDCs at bay for half of the race .

He's , at the same time , thinking about how it's pushing his career forward to do so .

I would like to bring some disdain for the seemingly clueless reaction from Vitaly , lifting his hands as if to say "What ?" , when it was tragically obvious what the issue at hand was , in the moment .

I would have expected some sort of reaction from Fernando , and would have thrown an "I'm sorry , but I had to race ." , rather than a "Duh what did i do ?" his way .

He was a spoiler , just like Bernouldi in that Monaco race way back .
That shouldn't be the way Vitaly wants to be remembered ; too slow and in the way .


Fernando was mad , and has a latin temperament . I expected something , and also expected the respect he showed in the interview only a few minutes later .

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Get out of town! Even if he passed Petrov, Alonso would have still lost the title.

I guess Rosberg should have bent over and taken it like a champ too, huh?
Not as if Rosberg wasn't fighting to maintain his seat at Mercedes where he's competing against another WDC, Mike.

Fact of the matter is that Ferrari's management lost the WDC for Alonso, not anyone else. Period!

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Fact of the matter is that Ferrari's management lost the WDC for Alonso, not anyone else. Period!

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No no no. Not "fact", and not "period".

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face: the championship is the sum of all that year's races. There were a hundred reasons why it ended up as it did: you could just as easily blame Alonso himself for a jump-start in China, or say that McLaren blew it for Button by leaving a bung in place at Monaco. Ask yourself what the result would be if you shuffle the order of the races: the same.

am I the only one that thinks that whilst what Lewis said was a bit tongue in cheek, he wasn't actually complaining?

from my perspective, he said it like it is. Such is a trait in many british people. At no point did he say Kubica holding him up was a bad thing, and as he said 'that's the way motor racing goes'

fact is there is nothing to see here apart from a load of silly squabbling above.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Use Google to look-up the following: tongue-in-cheek.

Carry on.


Get out of town! Even if he passed Petrov, Alonso would have still lost the title.

I guess Rosberg should have bent over and taken it like a champ too, huh?
Not as if Rosberg wasn't fighting to maintain his seat at Mercedes where he's competing against another WDC, Mike.

Fact of the matter is that Ferrari's management lost the WDC for Alonso, not anyone else. Period!

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So , obviously , you're thinking that I think he should have gotten out of the way ?
Read my post again .

I believe he should have understood the reaction from Alonso .

Red Bull got lucky with a Webber mistake . The pit call was due to a wall brush , not strategy , and Ferrari were drawn into making a snap decision , which , in retrospect was foolish , which they admit fully .

Although true , that it's the "sum of all that year's races " , it was down to this one where Fernando needed third to win .

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And you need to understand there is no distinction between what you accuse Fernando of and what the television proves Hamilton said.

None at all.

Only an unreasonable person would claim otherwise.

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I think you're trolling here, but just in case you're not you should know that your statement above is wrong.

Normal conversation is made up of three parts: the words spoken, the tone used, and gestures. (in this forum I suppose we have the first, with smilies substituting for the other two)

What you're trying to do, pallone, is taking the words as 100% of what Himilton tried to convey. You're only paying attention to one third of his message (ignoring tone & gestures). No wonder you're (I believe intentionally) misunderstanding him.

With regard to Alonso's gesture, all we have is the gesture. Here, we're missing the words & tone (if any were actually used) so people are using the info provided and drawing their own conclusions. My conclusion is that Alonso was frustrated. I interpret it not as "Why the ___ didn't you move over!", but as "Why the ___ couldn't you have made a mistake!" So I have no problem with the gesture.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And you need to understand there is no distinction between what you accuse Fernando of and what the television proves Hamilton said.

None at all.

Only an unreasonable person would claim otherwise.

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Fernando is a cock, he acted like a cock and after fist shaking and a few minutes looking pi$$ed off in the garage he came out and delivered a PR friendly interview saying the Petrov drove well with no mistakes.

Lewis is a bit of a tool at times and in his interview clearly was taking the pi$$ out of his rival Alonso and took the opportunity to stick the boot in, admittedly not very sporting, but i think quite funny

clutch at straws all you like, but even the most even handed, non-lewis fan would struggle to find anything to see in your weak petty small minded point you are labouring at.

PS nice work on getting the BBC from Italy

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Originally Posted by henners88

Interesting isn't it? Maybe one of the scenario's I mentioned earlier will provide the answer to this question. I have relatives abroad that have tried unsuccessfully to get iplayer, and the BBC keep coming up with ways to block it for foreign viewers. There's obviously a way as we can see here.

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don't tell anyone, but i've been watching it from Sweden for the last few months (all british telly actually). I was on satellite which worked nicely but i've moved flat now so i have to go through t'internet. i do have a TV licence at home in the UK so i feel ok about it though!

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

And you need to understand there is no distinction between what you accuse Fernando of and what the television proves Hamilton said.

None at all.

Only an unreasonable person would claim otherwise.

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Whereas, of course, someone who has been banned from the forum and has to resort to rejoining under another name is an entirely reasonable person at all times, are they?