Should Ireland be united?

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Originally Posted by Mark

PS. I do get irked when people refer to the whole of the UK as 'England'.

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You mean the way Scots/Welsh and Northern Irish get irked when the English say England when they mean United Kingdom... I can see how it can be irksome.

Best not to let it get you worked up... I have lost count of the number of times people have called me English despite my strong Irish (Dublin) accent.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

You mean the way Scots/Welsh and Northern Irish get irked when the English say England when they mean United Kingdom... I can see how it can be irksome.

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No, I don't find that to be very common at all, most people in England know the difference.

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Originally Posted by Mark

No, I don't find that to be very common at all, most people in England know the difference.

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We will just have to differ on that as in my 22 years living in England I have found it to be quite common...

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Originally Posted by Mark

No, I don't find that to be very common at all, most people in England know the difference.

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I've also never heard the press call Andy Murray British when he wins and Scottish when he loses.

I remember being in pubs when a home nations that isn't England is playing a football match. In most cases you will find English people supporting the other home nations. I reckon most people in England would love Wales or even the Republic of Ireland to qualify for the World Cup.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

We will just have to differ on that as in my 22 years living in England I have found it to be quite common...

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It means nothing. I now live in Lancashire and locals mistake me for a Southerner, even though I'm from Cumbria.

LOL, I'm sure they would... it would bolster their own chances of making the finals.

I always support England as it would be fool hardy after living here so long not to do so, (exception being if they are playing Ireland of course)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

With all due respect this has nothing to do with Ireland, any part, now, but if you are going to use a non-related part of history at least do not, try to twist it.

The French first founded Port St. Louis on the East Island in 1764; British first settled Port Egmont on the West Island in 1765.
Spain acquired the French settlement in 1766, and attacked the British settlement in 1770.
The British abandoned its settlement but to avoid war they signed a peace treaty with Spain and returned in 1771.

Economic concerns caused the British to leave in 1774 and the Spanish in 1811; each left a plaque stating ownership.

American Col. David Jewett raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate for the Irish businessman, who lived in the Provinces, Patrick Lynch.
Luis Vernet, born in Hamburg, Germany, founded a settlement in 1828, but the British returned in 1833, saying they were reassuming control of the islands allowing Vernet and company to stay as long as they kept about their own business.

The Falklands became a strategic point for the British during WWI and WWII.

The U.N. became involved after WWII, but the islanders voted to remain British.

So if anyone has claim it would be the French, British and Spain and lastly Argentina.
Gee there are two small French Islands off of the east coast of the U.S., now who owns those by your standard, Canada or the U.S., or France?
Canada probably as they are closer than either the U.S. or France; I guess they should invade.

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There you go again Bobby. You selectively take one part of a post and try to use to blast at the poster(me). Now, when I write something I do so without using google or any other tools which is obvious that is something that you do.

Neither Hondo nor I stated that the Falklands had anything specific to do with Ireland. Being analgous is something that always comes into debate. In your case you don't see it.

I am tired of these threads ending up in these silly and juvenile theatrics that you and others want them to be. You have accused me of being a know-it-all. If I were I would not be,at 8am in the morning typing a response to you on a chat forum.

You then call me a coward (this is the internet. No heroes no cowards) if I decline to post.

If you were civil at least, I would try to respond to you. That does not seem possible.

So if you want to try to denegrate me,do so. You will just be showing everyone else how shallow you are.

As to your point about the Malvinas (Falklands) and Argentina and to ownership. You are going down a slippery slope as to ownership of specific points on a map. Conquering and overtaking are not the same as rightful ownership.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

LOL, I'm sure they would... it would bolster their own chances of making the finals.

I always support England as it would be fool hardy after living here so long not to do so, (exception being if they are playing Ireland of course)

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I'm glad to see a post like this. It always amazes me to hear people rooting against the country they reside and work in.

I like football(soccer) quite a lot and every time I get to see a game that is from the English Premier league it seems to me at least, the commentators always seem to be positive where Irish players are concerned.

It even goes to another level that when the law was in force and could be again, that a team could only field three foreign born players the FA of England did not view Irish born players as foreign and thus the careers of many fine players was allowed to flourish. Again, this debate is starting to raise it's ugly head again as the EU wants to insert itself into sports.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

I'm glad to see a post like this. It always amazes me to hear people rooting against the country they reside and work in.

I like football(soccer) quite a lot and every time I get to see a game that is from the English Premier league it seems to me at least, the commentators always seem to be positive where Irish players are concerned.

It even goes to another level that when the law was in force and could be again, that a team could only field three foreign born players the FA of England did not view Irish born players as foreign and thus the careers of many fine players was allowed to flourish. Again, this debate is starting to raise it's ugly head again as the EU wants to insert itself into sports.

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I used to remember the 'only three foreign players rule' in the mid 1990s when Manchester United and other British clubs were disadvantaged in the European Cup because Welsh players such as Ryan Giggs and Mark Hughes were classed as foriegn.

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Originally Posted by glauistean

I'm glad to see a post like this. It always amazes me to hear people rooting against the country they reside and work in..

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As I say it would be fool hardy, besides the fact I live here, I married an English woman, and we have two daughters... I take then to events like this Saturdays London Lord Mayors show... they know they have Irish roots and family still living there but they are English... and I am proud to make sure they know that.... with the best will in the world I will never return to Ireland now, even with a mega lottery win I would only buy a holiday home there.