2013 F1 technical regulations coming

One idea which these days may or may nor be contrary to the rules, could overcome the dratted problems that the horrible idea of control tyres has allowed.

Especially for drivers such as Schumi who requires a car to be essentially oversteer at its maximum and therefore the rear considered undriveable by other drivers - most of them incompetent when compared to the Kerpen man.

I refer to the concept designed and used by Barnard on the McLarens of the 1980's at some point - use the front brakes to force more oversteer when the point is reached where the control tyres just flat line.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Hoop98 or one of the engineers could speak to this better than I can, but at 1.6 liters and 650 hp, this isn't going to be a highly pressurized turbo engine, is it? I mean, it won't be anything like the crazy turbo engines we saw in the 80's. Would these things have any sort of meaningful torque? I know a fellow who has a 2.0 liter turbo in a street car and he's making well over 400 hp... and has over 30K miles on the engine. I don't know, but I guess I've just come to expect F1 engines to be from another planet. This one sounds like the guy next door (so far).

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It depends a lot on if the FIA wants to change the maximum bore diameter.

650bhp ?
That's pretty less power than the f1 car had today . Oh well , at least they'll have turbo and ground effect but just don't move the side pod forward .
The only thing i look forward to...

The KERS + Turbo + Ground effect .

Well known Ferrari F-40 has 2.9 L (2936 cc) turbocharged V8 giving 478 PS (352 kW; 471 hp) under 110 kPa (16 psi) of boost at 7000 rpm. If we "shrink" the engine to 1,6 L we will have about 250 HP, if "accelerate" to about 19000 rpm we get about 650 HP. These calculations are very primitive, but they give some figures at least.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Why not simply impose a fuel tank volume?! To easy for the F1 managers to think about it?!

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Yeah, how they managed to not think of that is simply retarded.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Yeah, how they managed to not think of that is simply retarded.

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There is too much opportunity for abuse with scavangers, additional pipework, swirls etc adding a few extra litres :)

With a flow meter, you can guarentee that as long as nothing is between the injectors and meter, then that's the maximum they can use.

If we have a maximum fuel tank size, we will get more of this fuel saving mode instead of racing and it's more costly to change the flow rate in the future.

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Originally Posted by skc

If we have a maximum fuel tank size, we will get more of this fuel saving mode instead of racing and it's more costly to change the flow rate in the future.

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Exactly, we don't want situations like we've already seen where cars have too little fuel to complete the race and have to go into 'fuel saving'. Let them have as much as they need but only use so much at once.

I still think that isn't the answer however. And that's drastically slashing aerodynamic grip to almost zero!

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Originally Posted by Mark

Exactly, we don't want situations like we've already seen where cars have too little fuel to complete the race and have to go into 'fuel saving'. Let them have as much as they need but only use so much at once.

I still think that isn't the answer however. And that's drastically slashing aerodynamic grip to almost zero!

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This is where we have some problems.

If you cut down aero grip and rely on Mechanical, you have slow corners and lap times.

If you compensate by introducing ground effect downforce then you improve corner speeds but make the cars unpredictable in a crash or any off track excursion into the kitty litter or grass.

I hate the idea of a spec series but standard front and rear wings which generate up to 50% of the current grip in addition to ground effect aero seems a good alternative.

I still just say we should keep the cars how they are now, with these regs, just ban double diffusers (which they are anyway), blown diffusers,turning vanes, and winglets on the front and rear wings.

That will create the spectacle that they were going for in 2009.

I was watching the season review of 2009 the other day, and the front wings that were on the Renault in Australia were almost completely clean of aero bits. All the cars should be like that. Yes the teams should be allowed to shape the sidepods, engine cover, wings, and even have F-ducts, but it's all these other bits that I don't like.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

I was watching the season review of 2009 the other day, and the front wings that were on the Renault in Australia were almost completely clean of aero bits. All the cars should be like that. Yes the teams should be allowed to shape the sidepods, engine cover, wings, and even have F-ducts, but it's all these other bits that I don't like.

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They should ban F-ducts too. They are clever, yes, but they detract from the actual skill of driving the car. All these trick double diffusers, blown diffusers, f-ducts should be completely done away with.