Big thumbs up for the US

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Originally Posted by Eki

I also don't believe in total surrendering, but in resistance. If you insist total surrendering, you can easily end up in guerrilla warfare for decades, like the US did in Vietnam and now in Iraq and Afghanistan or Israel has done in the Middle East.

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that makes no sense.......there was not an insistence on total surrender, but a lack of total warfare of kill them all without mercy....even if it means a few nukes on civilain targets...but no, we going to do a police action.....

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Originally Posted by Eki

But do you think being a jealous, illogical, anti-American, anti-semitic fascist is a good idea that works? .

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well you are working at the taco bell, stuffing those tacos....

like your description of yourself.... jealous, illogical, anti-American, anti-semitic fascist :up:

wish I could have said it first......got any children named adolf??

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Originally Posted by Eki

Let's turn that around and ask if YOU would like Japan to take care of the military protection of the US or live on Japanese hand outs? Would you like to have Japanese military bases in the US?

The reason the US wants to take care and supervise the Japanese military defense is that they don't want to let the Japanese military to grow that big and powerful that they could take care of it by themselves and maybe become a potential military threat again.

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The USA took Japan under it's protection after WW II to keep the Soviets and other communist nations out. Japan has and has had it's own National Defence Force since the adoption of it's new constitution after the war, although it is doubtful whether it could stop a Soviet move against it. The defense force can be as large as the Japanese care to spend. They are forbidden by their own constitution to start offense military operations outside of their borders. They could amend their constitution if they wished but have generally found it cheaper to shrug their shoulders and point at their constitution when it comes to joining UN actions which, amongst other things, keeps their oil supply running.

I seriously doubt the Japanese want to have another go at the US regardless of how large their military may become. But if they want to, have them take a number and get in line. We'll be with them as soon as we can.

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

The USA took Japan under it's protection after WW II to keep the Soviets and other communist nations out. Japan has and has had it's own National Defence Force since the adoption of it's new constitution after the war, although it is doubtful whether it could stop a Soviet move against it. The defense force can be as large as the Japanese care to spend. They are forbidden by their own constitution to start offense military operations outside of their borders. They could amend their constitution if they wished but have generally found it cheaper to shrug their shoulders and point at their constitution when it comes to joining UN actions which, amongst other things, keeps their oil supply running.

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^^^This is correct.

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I seriously doubt the Japanese want to have another go at the US regardless of how large their military may become. But if they want to, have them take a number and get in line. We'll be with them as soon as we can.

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I agree. Japan is now a pacified, largely non-military nation. Whether they're currently 2nd or 3rd, the Japanese get their global strength from the size of their economy, not the size of their army/navy/air force.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

It is and it did. Just ask Japan and Germany.

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? They both lost and millions of their citizens died. The US didn't lose as much, but still almost half a million Americans died:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

No, I still don't believe total warfare was/is a good idea for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Eki

? They both lost and millions of their citizens died. The US didn't lose as much, but still almost half a million Americans died:

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Yep and The Murderous Nazi and Tojo regimes were stopped.

Let me clue you in to 2 little facts.

#1 Japan ATTACKED the US
#2 Germany DECLARED WAR on the US.

Now taking those 2 facts into account I fully expected the US to do everything within it's power to destroy both Governments. Not to partake in a holding action. Not to negotiate but to Destroy so that the US would never have to worry about it's citizens being attacked again. Unconditional Surrender.

Seeing as Japan was in no way interested in unconditional surrender the US had no choice but to destroy them with every means available.

End of Debate!

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Yep and The Murderous Nazi and Tojo regimes were stopped.

Let me clue you in to 2 little facts.

#1 Japan ATTACKED the US
#2 Germany DECLARED WAR on the US.

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Actually Japan attacked Hawaii and Germany was so far away they couldn't reach the US to do much damage there. Negotiated peace treaties would probably have saved hundreds of thousands of people. Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand declared a war against Finland, but there was no total warfare. Britain bombed a harbor in Finland and killed one dock worker, and that was about it.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Actually Japan attacked Hawaii and Germany was so far away they couldn't reach the US to do much damage there. Negotiated peace treaties would probably have saved hundreds of thousands of people. Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand declared a war against Finland, but there was no total warfare. Britain bombed a harbor in Finland and killed one dock worker, and that was about it.

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OMG Are you really that ignorant of History?

Some more facts for you to dwell on.

Hawaii is part of the USA.

Germany had negotiated non-aggression pacts with both the UK and the USSR.

Negotiation with an evil regime only benefits the Evil regime.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

OMG Are you really that ignorant of History?

Some more facts for you to dwell on.

Hawaii is part of the USA.

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No, it was disputed territory that the US had illegally invaded and occupied:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii

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Overthrow of 1893 — the Republic of Hawaii (1894–1898)

In January 1893, Queen Liliʻuokalani was overthrown and replaced by a Provisional Government composed of members of the Committee of Safety. Controversy filled the following years as the queen tried to re-establish her throne. The administration of President Grover Cleveland commissioned the Blount Report, which concluded that the removal of Liliʻuokalani was illegal. The U.S. government first demanded that Queen Liliʻuokalani be reinstated, but the Provisional Government refused. Congress followed with another investigation, and submitted the Morgan Report on February 26, 1894, which found all parties (including Minister Stevens) with the exception of the queen "not guilty" from any responsibility for the overthrow.[37] The accuracy and impartiality of both the Blount and Morgan reports has been questioned by partisans on both sides of the debate over the events of 1893.[36][38][39][40]
In 1993, a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton, apologizing for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.[40] It is the first time in American history that the United States government has apologized for overthrowing the government of a sovereign nation.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

We have a philosophical difference of opinion there.

When has the U.S. ever done anything that would even begin to compare to what the Japanese did before and during WWII? There is not a major country on the face of the earth that doesn't have SOME blood on its hands. But when a country had a POLICY which made it acceptable to take foreign girls as young as 10 or 11 and make them sexual playthings for bored soldiers, and then that country refuses even now to acknowledge the horror of that, IMO, that is a country that deserved every right hook, body blow and uppercut that we laid on them. It's unfortunate that so many Japanese noncombatants lost their lives in the atomic attacks that ended Japan's war effort. But it would have been even more unfortunate for more American soldiers to have died trying to take Japan house by house. I believe in "total war" because it works. It has always worked. It worked for William Tecumseh Sherman as well as it worked for Julius Caesar. It blows away the illusion that war can be neat & tidy. It makes war less socially acceptable, not more. It makes countries think twice about waging war when they know that their entire nation might be turned into a fireball. But even in total war, it is not acceptable to rape and torture just for the "fun" of it. So whatever past actions the U.S. might have engaged in, our society, unlike Japanese society, has not been willing to just sweep anything and everything under the rug.

IMO, we should never be apologetic to the Japanese for Hiroshima or Nagasaki. They should be glad that they surrendered when they did, so that they didn't have to face another mushroom cloud over another of their cities. I know there is a movement in Japan right now which is trying to get such an apology from us. The way I see it, they got massive Allied financial assistance, perpetual U.S. taxpayer funded military protection (until we finally go bankrupt) and a U.S. trade policy which allows Japanese companies to FREELY do business here, while they continue to have protectionist trade policies there. So they need to stop whining for an apology and be thankful for all that we have given them. And since the glass house they have from WWII is bigger than ours, like I said, they'd be better off leaving that can of worms alone.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, this was Jag, not Tony with this posting. Telling all you US haters (hello Eki) that all Americans pretty much are on side with this one...

Apolgizing for dropping the Bomb's of Hiroshima and Nagasaki comes when Japan will completly admit they were a nation that raped, pillaged and stole everything not nailed down from 1933 to 1945. THAT wont happen...

The Marshall Plan of the US is proof positive that Americans are a far more kind conquerer than any other nation on earth......and it wasn't about conquest....it was about righting the balance...