FORD - The potential is there ?

1. Ok for starters, Ford needs to replace MW. A former WRC veteran would be good. MW has no WRC pedigree as a racer. They shd hire KKK

2. FIA needs to introduce the 3rd car rule but shd clearly state the 3rd driver shd not be MW jr.

3. Bring back the Safari Rally. Ford always did well there!

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Originally Posted by mutanda

1. Ok for starters, Ford needs to replace MW. A former WRC veteran would be good. MW has no WRC pedigree as a racer. They shd hire KKK

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I doubt Ford could justify starting their own motorsport team again. Considering how little media coverage rallying gets, the shareholders would be more likely to tell them to stuff the lot and withdraw from WRC than to try and compete with Malcolms company.

I also wonder how much of Stobart Motorsports running costs the Wilsons contribute to and if Mathew was to go, whether the team would too. I certainly don't buy this "his 25yr plan is taking the seat away from a good driver".

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Originally Posted by TMorel

I doubt Ford could justify starting their own motorsport team again. Considering how little media coverage rallying gets, the shareholders would be more likely to tell them to stuff the lot and withdraw from WRC than to try and compete with Malcolms company.

I also wonder how much of Stobart Motorsports running costs the Wilsons contribute to and if Mathew was to go, whether the team would too. I certainly don't buy this "his 25yr plan is taking the seat away from a good driver".

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Agree on shareholders part. It's much easier to "hire" a private company to do your racing in your name cause you can ditch easily if finances go sour.

I don't buy the "25 yr plan..." part either. In my opinion the boy's drive is being financed mainly by the profit from other paying drivers like HENNING, BLOCK, VILLAGRA, etc.. The Stobart logo sure looks better than a blank white car, much more credible for a future world champ.

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Originally Posted by TMorel

I certainly don't buy this "his 25yr plan is taking the seat away from a good driver".

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in the case of wilson it actually does...i doubt any serious sponsor would give that big support to such a waste. Most "personal" driver sponsors support someone for 1-2 years then if the results aren;t there they pull the plug....

in the case of stobart i think they just provide the money for the car to run through the stages as a moving advertisement and they leave the driver choice to the manager of the car provider.

i think that wilson needs to get that stobart money put some stickers into the manufacturer car and give the money to the team to develop the car and maybe use someone else for a limited program and if the potential is there then bring the stobart car back full time.

on the other hand with the introduction of kimi who follows the steps of paasonen and visits burger king more often nowadays, we have some who say that wilson is an amazing driver. so go figure.....

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I agree, if the sponsors are paying huge amounts then yes, it's taking the money away from someone worthy, what I question is how much they are actually paying or whether as Kaffi says, they get Mathew on the cheap as daddy is paying, rather than have a white unsponsored car
For five years only, buy Henning and get Wilson free, yes buy one get one free - and if you sign up now, we'll even throw in unlimited TV time on DAVE
in which case there isnt any extra sponsorship to have gone on someone else.

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Originally Posted by TMorel

N.O.T.
I agree, if the sponsors are paying huge amounts then yes, it's taking the money away from someone worthy, what I question is how much they are actually paying or whether as Kaffi says, they get Mathew on the cheap as daddy is paying, rather than have a white unsponsored car
For five years only, buy Henning and get Wilson free, yes buy one get one free - and if you sign up now, we'll even throw in unlimited TV time on DAVE
in which case there isnt any extra sponsorship to have gone on someone else.

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What you are saying is, in my opinion, exactly what is going on. If all the logistics and manpower are in place for two cars, with full paying customers like Henning, then junior's car is actually quite cheap to run. Its a bit like having a tick getting a free ride on a bull's ass. :D

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Originally Posted by 6789

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PRODRIVE has done the same, look where it lead them !! :(

When Aava was driving with Stobbart he was offered that Stobbart pays 50% and his private sponsors pay another 50% of the costs. That means he could have done two full seasons with the same amount of money he payed for Citroen for 10 rallies. So, seems that Stobbart is interested to keep his logo in WRC.

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Also another interesting point:
2010 WRCar: 500 000 euro
2010 S2000: 300 000 euro
2011 WRCar: 400 000 euro

Wow the private teams are saving 100 000 euro.
In two years we are back till todays situation, and still 2-3 manufacturers.

Morrie Chandler and FIA; wow, job well done.
If that is the case they could drop the whole plan for new regs in 2011, it is already a failure in my opinion.

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Agreed, cost of cars is just too much!

WT

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Originally Posted by bluuford

When Aava was driving with Stobbart he was offered that Stobbart pays 50% and his private sponsors pay another 50% of the costs. That means he could have done two full seasons with the same amount of money he payed for Citroen for 10 rallies. So, seems that Stobbart is interested to keep his logo in WRC.

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Really ? i don't wish to doubt but are you sure it wasn't a sponsor share proposal ? That is not the same. I ask because it is strange that he did not continue with Ford.
In sponsor share you pay for all your cost but the team mate's sponsor can go on your car for free and vice versa. :confused: