some strong words from randy

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Originally Posted by ChicagocrewIRL

CART died because it did not have Indianapolis.

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Thats total *****. But It's damn good to hear bernard say that,and I agree it should be indycar.

How about this:

Change the name of the sanctioning body to "Indycar"
Change the name of the top level series to "IZOD Cup"
Change the name of the development series to "(insert sponsor's name series"
Then add a new series using open wheel trucks and call them " ????? Truck series"

Just having a little fun.

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Originally Posted by peasant

Thats total *****. But It's damn good to hear bernard say that,and I agree it should be indycar.

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FACT: CART teams returned to Indy to do one-offs because their sponsors wanted them to do so. See Phillip Morris, see Target... etc etc

FACT: Honda and Toyota switched over to the IRL why ? Because of Indianapolis.

FACT: When these teams and engine manufacturers switched over, CART was basically emasculated.

Please go on and tell me that these are not facts. Yeah that's right . UH huh .

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Originally Posted by dataman1

Then add a new series using open wheel trucks and call them " ????? Truck series"

Just having a little fun.

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Awesome!


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Originally Posted by Wilf

What kind of cars do they drive?

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Dallaras

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Originally Posted by ChicagocrewIRL

Why do you hate Indianapolis ?

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The City or the Indy 500?

I don't hate the Indy 500. Never said I hated it.
I don't have a fixation that it is the greatest event in the world and the only thing that matters.

I view it for what it is.
The Indy 500 use to be the biggest race in the world but has dropped significantly in popularity and significance to the point that it isn't even the most important race that day.

I realize that there are many here who have an emotional attachment to the Indy 500 but they need to realize that the vast majority of people don't. Times change. Tastes change.
Why drive non-Indy 500 fans away? Dropping the "Indy" name from the series will not hurt the Indy 500 one bit. It didn't hurt it when the series was called USAC and it didn't hurt it when it was called CART before the split. In fact it prospered during those times.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The City or the Indy 500?

I don't hate the Indy 500. Never said I hated it.
I don't have a fixation that it is the greatest event in the world and the only thing that matters.

I view it for what it is.
The Indy 500 use to be the biggest race in the world but has dropped significantly in popularity and significance to the point that it isn't even the most important race that day.

I realize that there are many here who have an emotional attachment to the Indy 500 but they need to realize that the vast majority of people don't. Times change. Tastes change.
Why drive non-Indy 500 fans away? Dropping the "Indy" name from the series will not hurt the Indy 500 one bit. It didn't hurt it when the series was called USAC and it didn't hurt it when it was called CART before the split. In fact it prospered during those times.

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You're such a hater and I don't know why. You have yet to offer ANY evidence that "INDY" keeps people away or is detrimental to the series. To the contrary, the term "INDY" is synonymous with speed, competition, and spectacle. The term is an asset not a liability.
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But I know I will never convince you because your opinions are so clouded by hatred that they will never even consider anything otherwise. So I wish you the best in your deluded world. Must be very lonely where you are.

You just don't know what Indy means. And you never will. I feel sorry for you.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

It didn't hurt it when the series was called USAC and it didn't hurt it when it was called CART before the split. In fact it prospered during those times.

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And what did the "man on the street" call the series during both of those terms. They only called it USAC or CART when they were talking to another USAC or CART person, when they were talking to someone outside that small circle they called it "Indycars".

I too am still waiting to hear your justification on how the term Indy is driving folks away. I eagerly await an answer to that question asked of you MONTHS ago and still unanswered.

Gary

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Originally Posted by ChicagocrewIRL

Here we go again..... <sigh> .... WHY WHY WHY do you HATE HATE HATE Indy so much ???

Open wheel racing in North America would NOT NOT NOT exist without Indianapolis and no matter how much YOU deny it Indianapolis IS and will always be part of North American open wheel racing.

CART died because it did not have Indianapolis. You want IndyCar to die also, so I guess I can see your motivation. You frustrate me to no end. Congrats LOL

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I am not going to knock you for loving the 500, I for I do too, but I think OW racing in some form would have existed if there was no 500. That said, there is, and it is the most important race.

THAT Said, CART may have died because it didn't have Indy, but I would hardly say Tony George's IRL worked to any great extent. There needs to be a series, in which the signature event is the Indy 500. What we didn't need was 2 of them, and THAT was where things went wrong. What is more, is Tony couldn't see that it would destroy the legitmacy of the sport and in the end, the IRL. How much money did he spend before he was given the boot? Lets face the reality, if his "vision" worked, he would still be there, and he isn't because he burned a lot of the family fortune proving he didn't know squat. So when Randy Bernard wants to maybe change the name of the sport, I think there is some merit to. The IRL was the creation of Tony George, and I would love to erase my link to anything he personally created....

Still doesn't change the 500 or the cars are Indycars though. I always called CART cars really Indy cars for a long time...because the reality is, they were the same DNA as the cars that last raced from CART in the Indy 500. Just they were told not to show up unless you played by an arbitrary set of rules....

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Why drive non-Indy 500 fans away? Dropping the "Indy" name from the series will not hurt the Indy 500 one bit. It didn't hurt it when the series was called USAC and it didn't hurt it when it was called CART before the split. In fact it prospered during those times.

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Who is being driven away by the name "Indy"? Again, YOU seem to be the only one who give a d@mn about the name, AND YOU ARE WATCHING THE SERIES! So who exactly is being driven away? This form of racing has been called IndyCar since before any of us here were born, and probably before our parents too. Why would you go changing that and cause confusion in the marketplace? That is the LAST thing we need right now.

And the series was NEVER refered to as USAC or CART by the general public. Most called it IndyCar. So much so that (as I pointed out to you in the other thread) the promoters of the Toronto and Austrailia races decided to keep the name "Indy" even when technically they were not IndyCars racing there.

Your personal hatred for the name "Indy" is not a reason to drop it. You have presented absolutely no evidence that it will help anything. How about until you can come up with a convincing, or at least logical, argument you let this drop, ok?