Dismantling an empire

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Originally Posted by Tazio

This is a rather old article I'm only posted it because it is a little different slant on what I've read so far.
The U.S. Military Idustrial Complex in many areas is directly linked to the livelihood of the local businesses. I think "Ike" suggested we be prudent, and cautious, as well as benevolent in this arena when he was leaving office in 1961.
BTW this is not a knock on Bush. Just an example of what could happen in every country that our empire maintains a substancial military pressence long enough to create an economically dependant community around it.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1299315,00.html

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Finland survived the fall of the Soviet Union (about 25% of our exports suddenly disappeared). I'm sure those economically dependent on the US will survive too.

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Originally Posted by swoop

On top of landing,refueling,and embassys we also hold a base in every country we've been into a war with. This is for far more sophisticated reasons.

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Not in Vietnam, as far as I know. Yet the Vietnamese have not taken over the world.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Finland survived the fall of the Soviet Union (about 25% of our exports suddenly disappeared). I'm sure those economically dependent on the US will survive too.

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I agree with you Eki. IMO they need to quit us "cold turkey"

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Originally Posted by Eki

Finland survived the fall of the Soviet Union (about 25% of our exports suddenly disappeared). I'm sure those economically dependent on the US will survive too.

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Easy for a Finn to say ...lol.

Canada's economy is tied due to Geography to the US. We have the best recovery underway of all the G-8 despite the slow economy in the south, but there is a limit to how this can happen when we are one tenth the population of our neighbour to the south and they are our largest trading partners. Making more trade with China, Japan and the EC works, but geography being what it is, it isn't as natural a trade relationship.

America isn't going to die or fade off into the sunset. They just will adapt and move on....because unlike the old USSR, the economy of the US has a lot more going for it and a system of governing that will more or less allow it to recover...

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Country by GDP Rank ($ Amt.) / Military Spending $ Amt / % of Global Milit. Spending

#1 United States ($14.430 Trillion) / $607 Billion / 41.5%
#2 Japan ($5.108 Trillion) / 46.3 Billion / 3.2%
#3 People's Republic of China ($4.814 Trillion) / $84.9 Billion / 5.8%
#4 Germany ($3.273 Trillion) / $46.8 Billion / 3.2%
#5 France ($2.666 Trillion) / $65.7 Billion / 4.5%
#6 United Kingdom ($2.198 Trillion) / $65.3 Billion / 4.5%
#7 Italy ($2.090 Trillion) / $40.6 Billion / 2.8%
#8 Brazil ($1.499 Trillion) / $23.3 Billion / 1.6%
#9 Spain ($1.466 Trillion) / $19.2 Billion / 1.3%
#10 Canada ($1.335 Trillion) / $19.3 Billion / 1.3%
#11 Russia ($1.232 Trillion) / $58.6 Billion / 4.0%

*Data from 2009 CIA World Factbook.


Whether it's military expenditures or entitlements, or more likely, a combination of the two,

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No it is the entitlements and asinine laws or edicts that come with them that are destroying this country.
Military spending is always flatulated forth by liberals, as evil, (they want to flush more of that money down the entitlement toilet) but is responsible for hundreds of thousands of jobs.
The only radical thing coming from the TEA party concern, is bogus claims put forth by the liberal press.

When anyone — generally people in possession of a feeling of insecurity — says their country is being 'destroyed' by anything, their argument has no credibility. The US will still be around in 50, 100, 150 years' time, come what may. People say the same about the UK. It won't happen, no matter who is in power. This is not complacency, merely common sense. And if it's meant figuratively, then those saying it should be more circumspect in their use of language.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Not in Vietnam, as far as I know. Yet the Vietnamese have not taken over the world.

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You want an honest opinion about Vietnam, come to St. Cloud ,Minn, and visit the Vietnam War memorial dedicated to the Vietnamese and surrounding countries soldiers who fought and died with the U.S. and then were forced to leave by Dem. cutting and running.
When they have their memorial service, fill them with your idyllic bs that say they were wrong to fight, and try to save their countries.
You may get an earful, or eyeful of fist.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

You want an honest opinion about Vietnam, come to St. Cloud ,Minn, and visit the Vietnam War memorial dedicated to the Vietnamese and surrounding countries soldiers who fought and died with the U.S. and then were forced to leave by Dem. cutting and running.
When they have their memorial service, fill them with your idyllic bs that say they were wrong to fight, and try to save their countries.
You may get an earful, or eyeful of fist.

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It is nice to know that alternative viewpoints regarding the nation's role in conflicts are tolerated so openly in the American heartland.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Easy for a Finn to say ...lol.

Canada's economy is tied due to Geography to the US. We have the best recovery underway of all the G-8 despite the slow economy in the south, but there is a limit to how this can happen when we are one tenth the population of our neighbour to the south and they are our largest trading partners. Making more trade with China, Japan and the EC works, but geography being what it is, it isn't as natural a trade relationship.

America isn't going to die or fade off into the sunset. They just will adapt and move on....because unlike the old USSR, the economy of the US has a lot more going for it and a system of governing that will more or less allow it to recover...

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If the U.S. collapses it will be destroyed from within, not any where else.

The divide and separate plan used by the liberals, with rino help it what will do as various-- "DIVERSITY"-- elements pull further and further apart, caring only about what government owes them, and to hell with the country.

The special treatment of muslim concerns, and the wetback cancer, now given by gov. and major press, is just a start.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

If the U.S. collapses it will be destroyed from within, not any where else.

The divide and separate plan used by the liberals, with rino help it what will do as various-- "DIVERSITY"-- elements pull further and further apart, caring only about what government owes them, and to hell with the country.

The special treatment of muslim concerns, and the wetback cancer, now given by gov. and major press, is just a start.

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'Collapse'? Here we go again. See my post above.

And maybe you might care to re-write this sentence — 'The divide and separate plan used by the liberals, with rino help it what will do as various-- "DIVERSITY"-- elements pull further and further apart, caring only about what government owes them, and to hell with the country' — in English. I genuinely haven't a clue what you're saying, and I have read it a couple of times. I'm not being sarcastic here, either.