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16th January 2010, 23:30
Scotty G.

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Originally Posted by Phoenixent

You better go back and check your coloring book Scotty as Chip has hired more than 2 Americans since he started back in....

2000- Juan Montoya, Jimmy Vasser,
2001- Bruno Junqueira, Niclous Minassain, Memo Gidley, Tony Stewart, Jimmy Vasser
2002- Bruno Junqueira, Kenny Brack, Scott Dixon, Jeff Ward
2003- Tomas Scheckter, Scott Dixon, Jimmy Vasser, Tony Renna *
2004- Scott Dixon, Darren Manning
2005- Ryan Briscoe, Scott Dixon, Darren Manning
2006- Dan Wheldon, Scott Dixon,
2007- Scott Dixon, Dan Wheldon
2008- Scott Dixon, Dan Wheldon
2009- Scott Dixon, Dario Franchitti
2010- Scott Dixon, Dario Franchitti

*Tony Renna is listed in 2003 as he was killed at Indy during a test in 2003.

You don't read very well, do you? What part of PAST DECADE do you not comprehend?

Since 2000, Floyd has hired Renna and Vasser as his FULL-TIME drivers. TG paid Floyd to run Jeff Ward in the IRL, so if you want to count him, go ahead. 2 in a decade. Yep, he really loves them American drivers.

Stewart was only hired when Bruno and Manassian were chasing their tails as Indy rookies in 2001, and Chip panicked a few days before the track opened.

E-mail Robin Miller and ask him about Chip's thoughts on American drivers. I betcha he paints the exact same portrait I have.

BTW, next time you want to call someone out, bring a little more amo to the party. ;)
16th January 2010, 23:37
Scotty G.

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The fact no Americans since Sam Hornish have been consistent winning threats isn't Chip's fault or Roger's fault, it is a by product of the downfall of the sport, and THAT is from dropping TV ratings, dropping sponsorships, and a general decrease in interest in the IRL and in CART from yes....that split

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Maybe the most laughable statement I have read in a long time. Its never the owners fault for anything, is it? Was it "the split" that caused Alex Gurney, Jon Fogarty, Bryan Sellers and Joey Hand to all not get hired? Guess what? American drivers's numbers were FALLING before any "split". Look at the numbers at Indy from the mid 1980's to 1995 and get back to me.

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American drivers of sufficient charimsa and talent are not pushing towards the IRL.

Gee, I wonder why not? Maybe some are smart enough to realize that if your daddy or relative doesn't own the car for you in Indy Car, you don't have much of a shot of getting a ride. Maybe some are smart enough to see how few of "their" kind are in the sport nowadays and are going to other forms of racing that actually are HIRING them.

If you were an American driver of any talent whatsoever, you'd have to be a complete fool to "push" towards the IRL.
17th January 2010, 01:55
Phoenixent

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

You don't read very well, do you? What part of PAST DECADE do you not comprehend?

Since 2000, Floyd has hired Renna and Vasser as his FULL-TIME drivers. TG paid Floyd to run Jeff Ward in the IRL, so if you want to count him, go ahead. 2 in a decade. Yep, he really loves them American drivers.

BTW, next time you want to call someone out, bring a little more amo to the party. ;)

Look Scotty you said DRIVERS not full time drivers see the quote from your post. Maybe it is you that should learn how to read and get off this whole poor American drivers. If most would get off there ass and market themselves then maybe there would be more American drivers in AOWR. As for your picking on the past decade is there are 8 American drivers that drove for Chip.

You stated 2 American full time drivers Vasser and Renna since 2000, Vasser drove in CART in 2000 for the full season and Renna did not drive in competition for Ganassi Racing he tested for Chip and died. Make up your mind is this a Indycar issue or an AOWR issue. If it's the later than you need to include all history of the team.

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

Ask Robin Miller. He knows Chip and he consistantly says this is the case.

The fact that he has hired 2 (Vasser and Renna) in a decade of AOW, tells the story. And not all of his hires have been "Montoya or Dixon" types of talent either.

Chip wins. Indy Car loses.

Winning is the name of the game and when foreign drivers come to grips with the Cup car it will be the same in NASCAR.
17th January 2010, 02:33
TURN3

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

BTW, next time you want to call someone out, bring a little more amo to the party. ;)

:confused: Coming from a guy that is in a gun battle with a sock and a cue ball....seriously. You haven't supplied 1 iota of support for a single point you've tried to make. You might go back to the last forum that ran you off...seems they had a good reason.
17th January 2010, 07:18
Civic

I remember now. Ganassi hired Hearn as a backup driver in case Tony Stewart couldn't make the 2001 race because of NASCAR obligations.
17th January 2010, 11:41
Oli_M

RE American drivers.....

You seem to be forgetting one VERY IMPORTANT THING. Not all drivers are equal. Your argument he "doesn't like American drivers" would be valid IF all drivers of all nationalities had the same skill levels.

However, they don't. It just happens that some drivers are more talented, have more skill, are better, or even more marketable, than others. It also just so happens that these drivers come from countries outside the USA.

You'd be a pretty rubbish team owner if you had a choice of two drivers, one from America who was a bit rubbish and one from XYZ country who was good - and chose the rubbish driver!

Chip seems to be winning rather a lot, so I'm kinda thinking that he's got it the right way round.

(Just as an aside and purely out of interest, what drivers from the USA should he have hired next year rather than Dario & Dixon?)
17th January 2010, 17:00
Scotty G.

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Originally Posted by Starter

This is one place where I'll agree with you. It was a crime that these guys and a couple others, never even got a sniff of a ride, not even in the second car. There's something called restocking the pond and the owners didn't do it. Memo was the lone exception and everyone who was around then knows what he did to get some attention.

Thanks for being a voice of reason here. :s mokin:

Here are some stats for the class:

Since 1998, there have been 44 different American-born drivers who have won races in Indy Lights, Atlantics or IPS/Lights.

Of those 44 race-winning drivers, only 16 have ever raced in one Indy 500. That is only around 35%.

Of those 44 race-winning drivers, only 20 (46%) have ever driven at least one race in either CART/Champ Car/Indy Car.

Of those 44 race-winning drivers, only 4 or 5 (10%) are probable to be semi-to-fulltime drivers in the 2010 Indy Car series (Marco Andretti, Hunter-Reay, Carpenter, possibly Antinucci and possibly Hildebrand).

Maybe a few of those race-winners weren't worldbeaters (Jon Herb, Mark Hotchkiss, Cory Witherill and Geoff Boss come to mind). But many others HAD real talent. Some won championships. Many had talent to be full-time drivers. Some had the talent and charisma to be American heroes for our fans to follow.

The drivers have been there in the past 11 years. Its too bad most have either been ignored or shuffled out of the sport because they couldn't pay their way all the way up to the top of the ladder.

And it goes even farther back then 1998. Back in the early 90's, when most of the legendary names of the sport (Foyt, Mario, Rutherford, Unser, Johncock, Sneva, Rahal, Sullivan, Fittipaldi, Mears) ALL retired at around the same time, most weren't replaced and a HUGE hole was created. The sport DESPERATELY needed new American heroes and talent to come in, and they dropped the ball. Big time.

And then what made things even worse is when some new, interesting talent actually WAS unearthed and had accomplished something, those drivers left for greener pastures (Villenueve, Stewart, Robby Gordon, Allmendinger, Bourdais, Hornish, Montoya, Zanardi and now Patrick).

So not only are we not finding/promoting the new American talent, but we are also losing most of the accomplished drivers (in their primes) to other forms of racing.

You can't survive this way.
17th January 2010, 19:38
garyshell

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

Here are some stats for the class:

Lose the condescending tone. This is not a class and despite your delusions of grandeur you are not our teacher. On these forums, you are just another fan like the rest of us.

Gary
17th January 2010, 19:46
Lousada

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

Thanks for being a voice of reason here. :s mokin:

Here are some stats for the class:

How does that compare to non-American Atlantics/IPS/Lights winners?
19th January 2010, 03:00
Mark in Oshawa

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

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Maybe the most laughable statement I have read in a long time. Its never the owners fault for anything, is it? Was it "the split" that caused Alex Gurney, Jon Fogarty, Bryan Sellers and Joey Hand to all not get hired? Guess what? American drivers's numbers were FALLING before any "split". Look at the numbers at Indy from the mid 1980's to 1995 and get back to me. .

I am getting back to you Jon Fogarty, Alex Gurney and others couldn't do the job. I know you find this hard to believe, but MAYBE the American feeder system to Indycar isn't doing the job. I didn't see any great talents other than Hornish, Stewart and Schmidt in the 90's, and all are out of the Indycar game now. The fact is training to drive one of these cars is through road racing. You can hate it, but Tony George had 14 years almost to remedy this, and instead he turned the IRL into a CART clone within 11 years. GEE....shoot him will ya? Don't blame us for pointing out the failings of the management of the IRL who bragged when they started they were going to SAVE American Indy Car racing and the American driver. I have news for you, the American driver is doing VERY well driving NASCAR. The best talent is going to NASCAR.

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

.Gee, I wonder why not? Maybe some are smart enough to realize that if your daddy or relative doesn't own the car for you in Indy Car, you don't have much of a shot of getting a ride. Maybe some are smart enough to see how few of "their" kind are in the sport nowadays and are going to other forms of racing that actually are HIRING them.

If you were an American driver of any talent whatsoever, you'd have to be a complete fool to "push" towards the IRL.

You are right, you would have to be a fool I guess because the sport is so awful, why it must be folded. So why are a) you on this board? and b) aware of who could have made all these changes you see as so vital?

Scott, I don't get you, I am sure you are just some guy who thinks he has all the answers because he just KNOWS he is right, but the reality you espouse isn't borne out of the experience of what Tony George discovered when he took his ball and created a new series.

CART may have had a lot of faults, but a lot of them would have been headed off with unity in the field of OW racing. I do know this much, an All oval series was tried...the proof is in the IRL record books......complete with a mandate to get American drivers. For Crying out loud Scott, even AJ FOYT wont hire Americans. You still think there is a conspiracy?

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