Cosworth (finally) dispatch first engines to their teams

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Oh shucks, another one that makes the wind go swish.... Do you suppose the stuff he worked on was complicated too?

My a**e must be fecking clever in the aero dept.... :p

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Certainly need more intelligence than a sandwich maker, anyway.

Although judging by some of the posts around here, certain members of the forum, and the word 'member' is most apt, would struggle to do that.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Adrian Newey may well have designed the Red Bull to accomodate a number of engine suppliers as they were unsure who was actually going to be their supplier until very late on.

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Which just goes to show that compromises in engineering are not such a big deal and that, specifically, engines and gearboxes are not intrinsic to the basic chassis/aero package performance.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Thanks for supplying the article by the way, it further strengthens my belief that you don't know what you are talking about and don't bother to read before you respond.

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I suppose you don't understand plain English, or you can't read properly. What part of the engines being very very similar didn't you understand?
At least now I know why you work with sandwiches.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Lets quit with the insults shall we?

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You started it and now you're crying? Typical.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You don't know anything about me apart from my job title.

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I know all that I need to know.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Remember I also know what you do for a living and you don't find me mocking you circumstances do you?

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And what is to be mocked about someone who is way above where you will ever get?

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Originally Posted by henners88

The part where the gearbox had a different position, and mounting points were arranged in an unorthodox fashion compared to rival manufacturers.

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Those mounting points would not be attached to the tub, though.

Assuming that the Brawn car used the systems whereby the suspension mounts onto the gearbox (common practice now and not something I had read anywhere that was different with Brawn), whilst the suspension geometry would be affected, the amount of "cutting away" would only be effecting the carbon mounting points at the back of the car, nothing at all to do with the tub.

It is testament to the engineering prowess of Brawn GP that the redesign of those mountings did not adversely affect the suspension performance or that of the diffuser, but the idea that the tub itself would be involved is a false premise.

Furthermore, the initial installation of the Mercedes engine and gearbox may have involved physical cutting of carbon fibre in this area, but very soon afterwards a new carbon mounting would have been produced and that which was removed would not have been for any other purpose originally than mounting points.

If you claim the gearbox mounting was the area where changes were made, the work that Ross refers to undoubtedly refers to the suspension mountings and the diffuser, not the tub.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I have not insulted you once in this thread. I said you didn't know what you were talking about, I did not try you bring you down by suggesting derogatory statements regarding your profession.

I'm going to ignore this comment and leave it highlighted to demonstrate its very definition, pathetic and infantile... Grow up!

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So you didn't insult me in this thread?! :laugh:

Pommes frites with mayonnaise please!

Lets leave the personal insults out of it shall we, it's a F1 forum not who has the best job & biggest ego forum !

Break break, I've got a legitimate question here. Does Cosworth also provide the tuned exhaust for the engine or are the teams given the necessary flow specifications and left to design their own exhaust?

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Originally Posted by ioan

So you didn't insult me in this thread?! :laugh:

Pommes frites with mayonnaise please!

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Too much chili or something? You're revving way too high once again. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ioan

I suppose you don't understand plain English, or you can't read properly. What part of the engines being very very similar didn't you understand?
At least now I know why you work with sandwiches.

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You are forgetting that the Brawn was originally desined around an engine/kers package from a different manufacturer. If crank heights are diferent, there will be considerable compromises to be made. Did the Brawn use the Merc powertrain, or their own gearbox? A gearbox designed for an engine with a different crank...
Well you get the point.

Butter or Low fat spread.

Baguette, roll or bread?

Doorstep or sub........