Mercedes-Benz set to become a shareholder in Brawn GP F1 team

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The cultural strength contained in the Mclaren Mercedes racing relationahip and everything that it entails is not created either easily or guaranteed.

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Agree it is in fact pretty much in existent at this moment, be it because they refused to sell a majority package to Mercedes or rather and more likely because the Spygate and Liegate affairs.

Worth to mention that McLaren Automotive has just revealed their first 'super'car and it does not feature a Mercedes engine and the SLR McLaren Mercedes is to be their last common project in this domain.

IMO the ties between McLaren and Mercedes have been loosened during the past few years and Mercedes is looking to have their say in a proper way in f1 by really being in control of a team.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who cares where the money comes from?
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I actually think now is a good time to buy. I reckon there is money to be made buying BEFORE a championship win in a recession, and then selling, perhaps back to Honda??? when the markets are better.

Ker-ching anyone?????

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Originally Posted by ioan

Worth to mention that McLaren Automotive has just revealed their first 'super'car and it does not feature a Mercedes engine

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Is there a source for that, all the bits I've read about the new car do not state the engine manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I actually think now is a good time to buy. I reckon there is money to be made buying BEFORE a championship win in a recession, and then selling, perhaps back to Honda??? when the markets are better.

Ker-ching anyone?????

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You are right, everyone with money at hand or a possibility to get a good loan for investment is out there investing right now that the economic trend is reversing.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Is there a source for that, all the bits I've read about the new car do not state the engine manufacturer.

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"Powering the MP4-12C is McLaren's own amidships mounted 3.8-litre V8 engine called the M838T which revs up to a heady 8,500rpm and features twin-turbochargers for that extra oomph. With around 600bhp and 600Nm of torque on tap and an estimated weight of about 1.3-tonnes, 100km/h should come up in three and a bit seconds and the car shouldn't have any problem cracking the 300km/h mark."

Here's the engine:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...e-1280x960.jpg

It's not a Mercedes engine.

And the car:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...p-1280x960.jpg

Looks similar to the old McLaren F1, restyled with some Ferrari and Audi R8 shapes. Also teh front light look similar to the Porsche Boxster ones.
A bit bland for a car worth a smaller fortune.

^ I want one of those!

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

^ I want one of those!

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Yep F1 looks really good after all this time.

Could it also be that Mercedes sees more future value, cost effectiveness and focus with a more pure racing operation in Brackley. McLaren isn't exactly known for living on the down low. Maybe Mercedes isn't comfortable funding a Mclaren keen on competing head to head in the automotive supercar market.

Mercedes traditionally has the image of a very conservative company, and McLaren has brought a lot of controversy with the racing operation over the past couple seasons. Not that Ross Brawn's racing history has been devoid of suspicion and controversy by any means, however I still suspect the whole industrial espionage saga wore very thin on the Mercedes side of the equation. Full control of a team already proven to operate leaner and more efficiently than the existing relationship, with a Master at the helm of your operation sounds pretty damn good to me.

I'm very interested to see how McLaren functions in a budget constrained racing environment in the coming seasons..

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

Could it also be that Mercedes sees more future value, cost effectiveness and focus with a more pure racing operation in Brackley. McLaren isn't exactly known for living on the down low. Maybe Mercedes isn't comfortable funding a Mclaren keen on competing head to head in the automotive supercar market.

Mercedes traditionally has the image of a very conservative company, and McLaren has brought a lot of controversy with the racing operation over the past couple seasons. Not that Ross Brawn's racing history has been devoid of suspicion and controversy by any means, however I still suspect the whole industrial espionage saga wore very thin on the Mercedes side of the equation. Full control of a team already proven to operate leaner and more efficiently than the existing relationship, with a Master at the helm of your operation sounds pretty damn good to me.

I'm very interested to see how McLaren functions in a budget constrained racing environment in the coming seasons..

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Is Mercedes funding Mclaren?